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From: Mark on 7 May 2010 08:56
On 07 May 2010 10:15:01 GMT, John Doe <jdoe(a)usenetlove.invalid> wrote:

>Mark <i dontgetlotsofspamanymore.invalid> wrote:
>
>> ShadowTek <ShadowTek invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> The most demanding activity that you listed is watching video,
>>> which will require a good CPU or video card if you ever want to
>>> watch anything in 720p or greater.
>>>
>>> If you've never tried Linux before, I'd suggest looking into
>>> it. That'll save you some cash on the OS costs.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
>Only if your time is worthless. Only if you do not really want to
>get things done. Only if you are a Linux Lunatic.
>
>Linux is a server operating system. Linux is a huge waste of time
>for the average home user. And this is not a Linux advocacy group.

Many distros offer both server and desktop versions. There is
nothing about Linux that makes it unsuitable for desktop use.

>> It will run faster on the same hardware too.
>
>More like running without tennis shoes.

I don't keep tennis shoes on my PC. I wonder why anyone would want
this?

>> You can still run windows applications using virtualization
>> technology.
>
>In that case it will not run faster on the same hardware.
>
>> I'd only recommend windows for gamers. Or better still get a
>> PS3 or XBOX and play games on the console.
>
>I play real-time strategy by voice. That is one of many things you
>will never be able to do in Linux.

If someone writes the requisite software then there is no reason why
this could not be done on Linux.

>If you want to talk to techies about Linux, that is fine, but you
>will be discouraged from wasting the time of average users here in
>this group with your Linux Lunatic bullshit.

You seem irrationally biased against Linux for some reason.
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From: Man-wai Chang to The Door (33600bps) on 7 May 2010 09:18
> Anyone have suggestions for an economy build in the
> $300-325 range? As fast a system as possible given the
> low dollar amount.

Go AMD! Its price-performance is better than Intel in general!

> 2. Motherboard and 4 gig memory --- 2 or 4 cores whatever is the best
> bang for the buck, AMD or Intel - doesn't matter to me. Must also have a
> PATA port to support one old hard drive and temporarily a zip drive to
> retrieve backed up info. Support for an internal floppy.

Too bad DDR3 RAM are expensive right now. Should you buy 2G now than
wait for the price to come down before buying another 2G? Then you need
a motherboard that has 4 DDR3 slots!

> 3. Sata hard drive - 200-250 gig or so should be more than enough.

Hitachi for speed (7200 RPM) and temperature.

Or you might wanna try Western Digital's (WD) Caviar Green series (5400
RPM) for reduced power consumption, but slow.

If you were rich, check out WD's VelociRaptor series (10000 RPM).

> 4. Sata 5.25 CD/DVD burner - light tan bezel to match an older case.

I have been using LG DVD burners for many years.

You might want a Blu-Ray Combo burner!

> 5. Video card - I am not a gamer - but I do watch the occasional video.
> Will use a a CRT monitor for now but will upgrade to LCD later.

Use motherboard with on-board VGA then!

> 6. Quality power supply.

I think an Antec EA-380D would do since you don't plan to buy 3D VGA
card that draws lots of power.

> 3.5 floppy

You could use USB Flash Drive to simulate a floppy disk now.

Also, Vi$ta & Win 7's installation program could read drivers from any
NTFS partition (e.g. on a USB drive).

> ZIP drive

Ditch it! Hard disks are cheap these days, and definitely are lot more
reliable than floppy ZIP diskettes. In fact, you should copy the data
from the Zip diskettes into hard disks *AS SOON AS POSSIBLE* before they
died!

> CRT monitor

Consider an upgrade to LCD if you worries about radiation and magnetic
field. 22-inch LCD monitors (1680x1050) are cheap! For serious and
productive programming, consider using 2 or more monitors!

> keyboard (IBM clickety-clack) I am a programmer

Check out http://www.pckeyboard.com ! :)

> A large ATX tower with two 3.5 and three 5.25 external bays + three 3.5
> internal bays. It also has two exhaust fans (2.875 dia. - 73mm ?) .
> Four working pata drives including one ATA133.

You might want to buy a Micro-ATX motherboard!

> I must maintain some old software so will need to dual boot to get a DOS
> prompt. I have most of the older MS operating systems from DOS to XP
> available so that isn't a problem - I hope!

Use Virtualbox (virtual macines) to simulate any x86 OS!!! :)


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From: Paul on 7 May 2010 09:52
Mark wrote:

>
>> If you want to talk to techies about Linux, that is fine, but you
>> will be discouraged from wasting the time of average users here in
>> this group with your Linux Lunatic bullshit.
>
> You seem irrationally biased against Linux for some reason.

comp.os.linux.advocacy ???

Paul
From: geoff on 7 May 2010 13:25
In fact, here is what Leo LaPorte said last Sunday on his Tech Guy radio
show:

http://techguylabs.com/radio/ShowNotes/Show662#toc11
Zach, Stephenson Ranch, CA - upgrading old PCs at school

Q: Zach has two computers running Windows 98. How can he upgrade them?

Leo says that they are sold old that they won't run anything more modern
than that. Dump Windows and put Linux on them! Tell the school you can do it
for free, too and they'll be humming along. PCs that age probably won't run
a modern Linux, but there's so many flavors of Linux, you can find one that
will breathe new life into those PCs. Check out Ubuntu.com. You want
"XuBuntu," which is designed for old computers. And can add Open Office - a
free Office clone. From the chatroom - EduBuntu is another good option -
designed for schools.

Unfortunately though, he has no CD drives. You could invest in an external
CD drive for $50. And if they have USB ports you can use a USB key to
install them. Great project for Zach! Leo says this will give Zach a chance
to learn import experience on UNIX for if he wants to go into computers for
a career. XP may work, but Microsoft doesn't support or sell XP anymore. And
there will be no more security patches coming for it.





From: Paul on 7 May 2010 18:15
geoff wrote:
> In fact, here is what Leo LaPorte said last Sunday on his Tech Guy radio
> show:
>
> http://techguylabs.com/radio/ShowNotes/Show662#toc11
> Zach, Stephenson Ranch, CA - upgrading old PCs at school
>
> Q: Zach has two computers running Windows 98. How can he upgrade them?
>
> Leo says that they are sold old that they won't run anything more modern
> than that. Dump Windows and put Linux on them! Tell the school you can do it
> for free, too and they'll be humming along. PCs that age probably won't run
> a modern Linux, but there's so many flavors of Linux, you can find one that
> will breathe new life into those PCs. Check out Ubuntu.com. You want
> "XuBuntu," which is designed for old computers. And can add Open Office - a
> free Office clone. From the chatroom - EduBuntu is another good option -
> designed for schools.
>
> Unfortunately though, he has no CD drives. You could invest in an external
> CD drive for $50. And if they have USB ports you can use a USB key to
> install them. Great project for Zach! Leo says this will give Zach a chance
> to learn import experience on UNIX for if he wants to go into computers for
> a career. XP may work, but Microsoft doesn't support or sell XP anymore. And
> there will be no more security patches coming for it.
>

Newegg has run out of Pro, but I think they still sell these WinXP Home discs.
If Home is good enough, you might still be able to get a copy. I don't think
these will last too much longer. The Pro just ran out within the last
week or two.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116583

I'd give a rant on Linux, but what's the point ? No developer will ever hear it.

I recommend that people test Linux for themselves, as that is the quickest
way to find out for yourself, just how good it is. If you're on a
deadline, to get something done, that is not the time to be testing
Linux. It should be done in your spare time, with no external pressure
to actually get something useful from it. Keep track of how many
hours it takes, to make changes to your work environment, and then
decide whether it is an "every day OS".

Paul
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