"Emergent Gravitation" and Collective Hysteria
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From: Robert L. Oldershaw on 17 Jul 2010 12:54 On Jul 17, 1:54 am, Mr. X at sci.physics.foundations wrote: > > Anyways, I like the idea that gravity is emergent from this concept. > For me, I see matter as being less [pressurized?] than the quantum vacuum and it is > simply the result of matter presenting less pressure compared to the > pressure of the quantum vacuum so that matter bodies simply have less > pressure between them and naturally are attracted to each other. ------------------------------------------------- On the surface of the Moon, a bowling ball and a feather fall at the same rate. Could your "push theory" of gravitation explain the above-mentioned experimental result? Can your "push theory" make a Definitive Prediction whereby we may test it? Regarding the concept of "emergent gravitaton" in general, is the community of theoretical physicists suffering from some form of collective hysteria? RLO www.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw
From: Jacko on 17 Jul 2010 13:23 On 17 July, 17:54, "Robert L. Oldershaw" <rlolders...(a)amherst.edu> wrote: > On Jul 17, 1:54 am, Mr. X at sci.physics.foundations wrote: > > > > > Anyways, I like the idea that gravity is emergent from this concept. > > For me, I see matter as being less [pressurized?] than the quantum vacuum and it is > > simply the result of matter presenting less pressure compared to the > > pressure of the quantum vacuum so that matter bodies simply have less > > pressure between them and naturally are attracted to each other. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > On the surface of the Moon, a bowling ball and a feather fall at the > same rate. > > Could your "push theory" of gravitation explain the above-mentioned > experimental result? > > Can your "push theory" make a Definitive Prediction whereby we may > test it? > > Regarding the concept of "emergent gravitaton" in general, is the > community of theoretical physicists suffering from some form of > collective hysteria? > > RLOwww.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw The apparent speed equality is due to the large size of the moon compared to the falling objects. So does the moon fall at earth g or at moon g? The push theory is mappable to a pull theory, and in that sense is an equivelent mathematical process, but the equations may or may not be more ameanable to solution. An infinity push or pull solution is also possible. It just requires 4 poles per massive particle. d^2(ln r)/ dr^2 = 1/r^2 ... +--+ or -++- arrangement.
From: Jacko on 17 Jul 2010 13:34 On 17 July, 18:23, Jacko <jackokr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 17 July, 17:54, "Robert L. Oldershaw" <rlolders...(a)amherst.edu> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 17, 1:54 am, Mr. X at sci.physics.foundations wrote: > > > > Anyways, I like the idea that gravity is emergent from this concept. > > > For me, I see matter as being less [pressurized?] than the quantum vacuum and it is > > > simply the result of matter presenting less pressure compared to the > > > pressure of the quantum vacuum so that matter bodies simply have less > > > pressure between them and naturally are attracted to each other. > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > On the surface of the Moon, a bowling ball and a feather fall at the > > same rate. > > > Could your "push theory" of gravitation explain the above-mentioned > > experimental result? > > > Can your "push theory" make a Definitive Prediction whereby we may > > test it? > > > Regarding the concept of "emergent gravitaton" in general, is the > > community of theoretical physicists suffering from some form of > > collective hysteria? > > > RLOwww.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw > > The apparent speed equality is due to the large size of the moon > compared to the falling objects. So does the moon fall at earth g or > at moon g? > > The push theory is mappable to a pull theory, and in that sense is an > equivelent mathematical process, but the equations may or may not be > more ameanable to solution. An infinity push or pull solution is also > possible. It just requires 4 poles per massive particle. d^2(ln r)/ > dr^2 = 1/r^2 ... +--+ or -++- arrangement.- Hide quoted text - Make that 2 poles per massive particle +- ....... -+ and the force from infinity is 1/r and the differential force is 1/r^2 So it turns out that gravity is the EM phase delay? Or the poles are caused by iso-spin relativity of c+c and c-c.
From: mpc755 on 17 Jul 2010 14:26 On Jul 17, 12:54 pm, "Robert L. Oldershaw" <rlolders...(a)amherst.edu> wrote: > On Jul 17, 1:54 am, Mr. X at sci.physics.foundations wrote: > > > > > Anyways, I like the idea that gravity is emergent from this concept. > > For me, I see matter as being less [pressurized?] than the quantum vacuum and it is > > simply the result of matter presenting less pressure compared to the > > pressure of the quantum vacuum so that matter bodies simply have less > > pressure between them and naturally are attracted to each other. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > On the surface of the Moon, a bowling ball and a feather fall at the > same rate. > > Could your "push theory" of gravitation explain the above-mentioned > experimental result? > > Can your "push theory" make a Definitive Prediction whereby we may > test it? > > Regarding the concept of "emergent gravitaton" in general, is the > community of theoretical physicists suffering from some form of > collective hysteria? > > RLOwww.amherst.edu/~rloldershaw There is less pressure between the objects because the objects displace dark matter. The objects fall at the same rate because the bowling ball displaces more dark matter then does the feather. Dark matter is displaced based on mass per volume. The more massive an object is per volume the less dark matter it contains the more dark matter it displaces. Dark matter is not at rest when displaced. The more dark matter displaced the more pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. Gravity is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter. There are several ways to test dark matter displacement. One possibility would be to detect the particle prior to exiting a slit in a double slit experiment. Fire another particle across the opening to the other slit just before the particle would have exited that slit had it entered that slit. The particle fired across the opening should be able to detect the associated dark matter displacement wave exiting the slit the particle did not travel through. The following is an explanation of what occurs in nature in a 'delayed choice quantum eraser' experiment. Following the explanation are two experiments which will provide evidence of Dark Matter Displacement. In the image on the right here: hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment When the downgraded photon pair are created, in order for there to be conservation of momentum, the original photons momentum is maintained. This means the downgraded photon pair have opposite angular momentums. We will describe one of the photons as being the 'up' photon and the other photon as being the 'down' photon. One of the downgraded photons travels either the red or blue path towards D0 and the other photon travels either the red or blue path towards the prism. There are physical waves in the dark matter propagating both the red and blue paths. The dark matter waves propagating towards D0 interact with the lens and create interference prior to reaching D0. The dark matter waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels prior to reaching D0. There are actually two interference patterns being created at D0. One associated with the 'up' photons when they arrive at D0 and the other interference pattern associated with the 'down' photons when they arrive at D0. Both 'up' and 'down' photons are reflected by BSa and arrive at D3. Since there is a single path towards D3 there is nothing for the wave in the dark matter to interfere with and there is no interference pattern and since it is not determined if it is an 'up' or 'down' photon being detected at D3 there is no way to distinguish between the photons arriving at D0 which interference pattern each photon belongs to. The same for photons reflected by BSb and arrive at D4. Photons which pass through BSa and are reflected by BSc and arrive at D1 are either 'up' or 'down' photons but not both. If 'up' photons arrive at D1 then 'down' photons arrive at D2. The opposite occurs for photons which pass through BSb. Photons which pass through BSa and pass through BSb and arrive at D1 are all either 'up' or 'down' photons. If all 'up' photons arrive at D1 then all 'down' photons arrive at D2. Since the physical waves in the dark matter traveling both the red and blue paths are combined prior to D1 and D2 the dark matter waves create interference which alters the direction the photon travels. Since all 'up' photons arrive at one of the detectors and all 'down' photons arrive at the other an interference pattern is created which reflects back to the interference both sets of photons are creating at D0. Figures 3 and 4 here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/quant-ph/pdf/9903/9903047v1.pdf Show the interference pattern of the 'up' and 'down' photons. If you were to combine the two images and add the peaks together and add the valleys together you would have the interference pattern of the original photon. This is evidence the downgraded photon pair maintain the original photons momentum and have opposite angular momentums. Nothing is erased. There is no delayed choice. Physical waves in the dark matter are traveling both the red and blue paths and when the paths are combined the waves create interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Experiments which will provide evidence of Aether Displacement: Experiment #1: Instead of having a single beam splitter BSc have two beam splitters BSca and BScb. Have the photons reflected by mirror Ma interact with BSca and have the photons reflected by mirror Mb interact with BScb. Do not combine the red and blue paths. Have additional detectors D1a, D2a, D1b, and D2b. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BSca be detected at D1a and D2a. Have the photons reflected by and propagate through BScb be detected at D1b and D2b. If you compare the photons detected at D1a and D1b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. If you compare the photons detected at D2a and D2b with the photons detected at D0, the corresponding photons detected at D0 will form an interference pattern. What is occurring is all 'up' photons are being detected at one pair of detectors, for example D1a and D1b, and all 'down' photons are being detected at the other pair of detectors, for example D2a and D2b. Interference patterns do not even need to be created in order to 'go back' and determine the interference patterns created at D0. Experiment #2: Alter the experiment. When the downgraded photon pair are created, have each photon interact with its own double slit apparatus. Have detectors at one of the exits for each double slit apparatus. When a photon is detected at one of the exits, in Dark Matter Displacement, the photon's dark matter wave still exists and is propagating along the path exiting the other slit. When a photon is not detected at one of the exits, the photon 'particle' along with its associated dark matter wave exits the other slit. Combine the path the dark matter wave the detected photon is propagating along with the path of the other photon and its associated dark matter wave. An interference pattern will still be created. This shows the dark matter wave of a detected photon still exists and is able to create interference with the dark matter wave of another photon, altering the direction the photon 'particle' travels.
From: funkenstein on 18 Jul 2010 08:19
On Jul 17, 6:54 pm, "Robert L. Oldershaw" <rlolders...(a)amherst.edu> wrote: > On Jul 17, 1:54 am, Mr. X at sci.physics.foundations wrote: > > > > > Anyways, I like the idea that gravity is emergent from this concept. > > For me, I see matter as being less [pressurized?] than the quantum vacuum and it is > > simply the result of matter presenting less pressure compared to the > > pressure of the quantum vacuum so that matter bodies simply have less > > pressure between them and naturally are attracted to each other. > > ------------------------------------------------- Clearly, because the gravitational potential or metric tensor exists in the quantum vacuum, it must be a property of that quantum vacuum in some way. However, in an atomic model of the vacuum the bulk pressure is usually equated with electric potential, and bulk motion with magnetic vector potential, to reproduced Maxwell's equations from the fluid laws. So, something as simple as "pressure" (in conventional sense) to describe gravity is probably not going to work. Giving the constituent atoms additional degrees of freedom such as spin allows other kinds of pressure, and there are also off-diagonal components to work with. Cheers- > |