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From: BURT on 6 Aug 2010 14:46 On Aug 6, 4:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 5, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 8:05 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 5, 9:39 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 5, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 5, 3:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:42 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:48 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:39 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 5:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > > > > > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > > > > > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > > > > > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > > > > > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > > > > > > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > > > > > > > It's rather sad that Mike Cavedon is so bursting at the seams with > > > > > > > > > loneliness that he is willing to talk to himself, but it's a good day > > > > > > > > > if he can have a pseudo-physics conversation with a homeless guy in > > > > > > > > > Oregon. > > > > > > > > > You have never answered if the ripple reaches the Earth and if not > > > > > > > > then why not? > > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark > > > > > > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence > > > > > > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate. > > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > > > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > > > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > > > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > > > > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > > > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > > > > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > > > > > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Way back in 1951 Einstein and I met and talked on gravity and inertia > > > > > > > being the same thing. He and I knew nothing about missing gravitation > > > > > > > to hold galaxy stars from shooting off into space and distroying a > > > > > > > galaxies shape(structure) I think it is safe to say the stars in > > > > > > > galaxies had enough gravity to hold their proper distance and they > > > > > > > were in lock step to each other. TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Why would gravity on the outside in the halo hold energy on the inside > > > > > > of the galaxy? No. > > > > > > > You have this backward. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Because the dark matter 'on the outside' is displaced by the matter > > > > > 'on the inside' and the dark matter 'on the outside' is not at rest > > > > > with displaced. > > > > > > A bowling ball is placed into a tank of water. The water 'on the > > > > > outside' exerts pressure towards the bowling ball 'on the inside'.. How > > > > > do we know the water 'on the outside' exerts pressure towards the > > > > > bowling ball 'on the inside'? Because a void does not remain in the > > > > > water when the bowling ball is removed from the tank. > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > If dark matter is more massive it would sink to the center of the > > > > galaxy. > > > > What you can't get around is that if it exists it would always > > > > commingle with regular matter because of their gravity. There is no > > > > way that one pushes the other apart. If we have never seen it before > > > > then there is a problem. > > > > > If it makes up most of the mass of the universe we ought to have seen > > > > it. There is another explanation to the fast orbiting stars of the > > > > outer galaxy that Dark matter is used for. This better explanation > > > > will replace our unidentified Dark Matter with magical properties not > > > > found in physics. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein'http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html > > > > "Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two > > > entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory > > > surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the > > > course of time; or else with the help of small floats, for instance we > > > can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters > > > in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking > > > the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental > > > impossibility in physics if, in fact, nothing else whatever were > > > observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it > > > varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water > > > consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise > > > it as a medium." > > > > Einstein might as well have been discussing dark matter. Dark matter > > > is aether with mass. > > > > "the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections > > > with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, .... > > > disregarding the causes which condition its state." > > > > The state of dark matter as determined by its connections with the > > > matter and the state of the dark matter in neighboring places is the > > > dark matter's state of displacement. The cause which conditions its > > > state is its displacement by matter. > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > water." > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.. > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Why do you trust what they call a ripple in something we can't see and > > have never identified? What do you get out of it? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > The ripple is 'seen' because it displaces the light traveling from the > far distant galaxies. > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > diminishes by L/c2." > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > dark matter and matter is energy. > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - How do you know what you are seeing? I challenge that you are not seeing what you say you are. If it has never been identified how do you know that? Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 6 Aug 2010 15:46 On Aug 6, 2:46 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 6, 4:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The ripple is 'seen' because it displaces the light traveling from the > > far distant galaxies. > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' > http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > > How do you know what you are seeing? > I challenge that you are not seeing what you say you are. > If it has never been identified how do you know that? > > Mitch Raemsch I see no reason to doubt the astronomers. The ripple is 'seen' because it displaces the light traveling from the far distant galaxies. Evidence of dark matter displacement: 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring dark matter and matter is energy. Mass is conserved.
From: BURT on 6 Aug 2010 18:15 On Aug 6, 12:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 6, 2:46 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 6, 4:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The ripple is 'seen' because it displaces the light traveling from the > > > far distant galaxies. > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > water." > > > How do you know what you are seeing? > > I challenge that you are not seeing what you say you are. > > If it has never been identified how do you know that? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > I see no reason to doubt the astronomers. But there is reason to doubt the Dark matter physics they are using. It has never been identified and we can't find it then there certainly is. Please prove the existence of Dark matter first. If it is most of the universe and is gravitationally bound you could never get it all to the outside. In other words the biggest proof that it doesn't exist is that we can't find it on Earth. It can't leak out of the Earth because it is gravitationally bound. Dark matter is not needed to solve the problem of the fast outer stars of galaxies. There is something better. It is no prefered scale of expansion of the universe driving galactic evolution. Mitch Raemsch > The ripple is 'seen' because it displaces the light traveling from the > far distant galaxies. > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > diminishes by L/c2." > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > dark matter and matter is energy. > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: mpc755 on 6 Aug 2010 20:57 On Aug 6, 6:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 6, 12:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 6, 2:46 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 6, 4:03 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The ripple is 'seen' because it displaces the light traveling from the > > > > far distant galaxies. > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' > > >http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur.... > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > water." > > > > How do you know what you are seeing? > > > I challenge that you are not seeing what you say you are. > > > If it has never been identified how do you know that? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > I see no reason to doubt the astronomers. > > But there is reason to doubt the Dark matter physics they are using. > It has never been identified and we can't find it then there certainly > is. > Please prove the existence of Dark matter first. If it is most of the > universe and is gravitationally bound you could never get it all to > the outside. In other words the biggest proof that it doesn't exist is > that we can't find it on Earth. It can't leak out of the Earth because > it is gravitationally bound. > > Dark matter is not needed to solve the problem of the fast outer stars > of galaxies. There is something better. It is no prefered scale of > expansion of the universe driving galactic evolution. > > Mitch Raemsch > > > The ripple is 'seen' because it displaces the light traveling from the > > far distant galaxies. > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > What part of 'Hubble finds dark matter' are you unable to understand? 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring dark matter and matter is energy. Mass is conserved.
From: mpc755 on 6 Aug 2010 21:10
On Aug 6, 6:15 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > But there is reason to doubt the Dark matter physics they are using. > It has never been identified and we can't find it then there certainly > is. > Please prove the existence of Dark matter first. If it is most of the > universe and is gravitationally bound you could never get it all to > the outside. In other words the biggest proof that it doesn't exist is > that we can't find it on Earth. It can't leak out of the Earth because > it is gravitationally bound. > We 'find' dark matter on Earth every time a double slit experiment is performed. If you are unable to understand the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment are due to the particle having an associated dark matter displacement wave then that is your issue, not the physics of nature. A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave. The particle enters and exits a single slit. The associated dark matter displacement wave enters and exits multiple slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates interference upon exiting the slit which alters the direction the particle travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the associated dark matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference. Simply because you are unable to understand the observed behaviors in a double slit experiment are because of dark matter does not mean dark matter does not exist. > Dark matter is not needed to solve the problem of the fast outer stars > of galaxies. There is something better. It is no prefered scale of > expansion of the universe driving galactic evolution. > > Mitch Raemsch What part of 'Hubble finds dark matter' are you unable to understand? 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring dark matter and matter is energy. Mass is conserved. |