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From: Ant on 27 Dec 2009 23:28 "Turnipweed" wrote: > It's too bad the fake AV's are so hard to fix, and the fixes are not > real trustworthy. If you rely on other software to make the fixes then you'll never be sure it's fixed. What you should have is a good understanding of the OS, especially the registry and load points for drivers and user-land executables and a good set of tools for diagnostics - including the ability to boot a different OS (e.g. a Linux live CD) to inspect an infected Windows system disk. Then, with access to the machine, you manually make the changes yourself. > If someone was really ambitious and honest, they could get rich (or > at least famous). Not with an off-the-shelf software fix. What needs to be fixed (educated) are the users who install this malware so they stop doing it.
From: Turnipweed on 27 Dec 2009 23:43 On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:52 -0700, "Buffalo" <Eric(a)nada.com.invalid> wrote: >Yeah, what we really need is more laws, so the lawyers can become even >richer. :) Sounds as though you dislike lawyers more than viruses. That makes 2 of us. ;) >PS: Anyhow, the free version of MBAM (MalwareBytes AntiMalware) and the free >version of SAS (SuperAntiSpyware) are both excellent programs that, it >sounds like, you might find very useful! I appreciate the kind offer, but I already have them. They are among the main programs I use against the despised fake AV's. My favorite tools are FDisk and Format, if my friends have a Windows disk. Happy New Year,,,
From: Turnipweed on 27 Dec 2009 23:53 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:28:02 -0000, "Ant" <not(a)home.today> wrote: >If you rely on other software to make the fixes then you'll never be >sure it's fixed. What you should have is a good understanding of the >OS, especially the registry and load points for drivers and user-land >executables and a good set of tools for diagnostics - including the >ability to boot a different OS (e.g. a Linux live CD) to inspect an >infected Windows system disk. Then, with access to the machine, you >manually make the changes yourself. Lots of times I remove the drive, and plug it into my own machine by USB adapter. MBAM, SAS, and a couple of other scanners usually knock it out, though it's way too time consuming. If my friend or relative has proper backups and a Windows disk, I can do a clean windows install in an hour. It sometimes takes me 2 or 3 hours to try and salvage the OS. >> If someone was really ambitious and honest, they could get rich (or >> at least famous). > >Not with an off-the-shelf software fix. > >What needs to be fixed (educated) are the users who install this >malware so they stop doing it. Very true. I have educated many people on this, but they still fail. Know why? Because they get tired of clicking on the popups from their AV and AS programs and turn it off. At least that's what most of them tell me. Thanks, and Happy New Year,,,
From: Buffalo on 28 Dec 2009 10:17 Turnipweed wrote: > On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:52 -0700, "Buffalo" <Eric(a)nada.com.invalid> > wrote: > > >> Yeah, what we really need is more laws, so the lawyers can become >> even richer. :) > > Sounds as though you dislike lawyers more than viruses. That makes 2 > of us. ;) > >> PS: Anyhow, the free version of MBAM (MalwareBytes AntiMalware) and >> the free version of SAS (SuperAntiSpyware) are both excellent >> programs that, it sounds like, you might find very useful! > > I appreciate the kind offer, but I already have them. They are among > the main programs I use against the despised fake AV's. My favorite > tools are FDisk and Format, if my friends have a Windows disk. > > Happy New Year,,, Yep, FDisk and Format are two tools that really work when all others fail; many times it is the quickest also. Buffalo
From: "nobody >" on 28 Dec 2009 20:42
Buffalo wrote: > Turnipweed wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:40:52 -0700, "Buffalo" <Eric(a)nada.com.invalid> >> wrote: >> >> >>> Yeah, what we really need is more laws, so the lawyers can become >>> even richer. :) >> Sounds as though you dislike lawyers more than viruses. That makes 2 >> of us. ;) >> >>> PS: Anyhow, the free version of MBAM (MalwareBytes AntiMalware) and >>> the free version of SAS (SuperAntiSpyware) are both excellent >>> programs that, it sounds like, you might find very useful! >> I appreciate the kind offer, but I already have them. They are among >> the main programs I use against the despised fake AV's. My favorite >> tools are FDisk and Format, if my friends have a Windows disk. >> >> Happy New Year,,, > > Yep, FDisk and Format are two tools that really work when all others fail; > many times it is the quickest also. > Buffalo > > Even better.. ClearHDD.exe It's ancient, but it blows away the MBR faster than FDISK or any partition editor http://downloads.uol.com.br/windows/utilitarios/clear_hdd.jhtm (Samsung used to have it on their "disk utilities" page, but probably pulled it after a n00b bombed his hard drive with it) |