From: D.M. Procida on
Geoff Berrow <blthecat(a)ckdog.co.uk> wrote:

> >All I wish is that they hadn't named javascript a name 'to sound like it
> >had something to do with java', as people assume it does when there is
> >no connection at all.
>
> Yes, you would have thought they would have seen that one coming.
> Especially as with the way things are going, JS is being used more and
> more.

I wouldn't. Back then, Java was this bitchin new technology that was
going to change the way everyone used the net, and lots of people were
rubbing themselves against its scent glands in the hope that some of the
smell would come off onto them.

Javascript on the other hand was an irritating way of making menus
blink, that didn't always work.

Daniele
From: Richard Tobin on
In article <1jfv6fn.yajkbs1dr5sN%real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk>,
D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:

>I wouldn't. Back then, Java was this bitchin new technology that was
>going to change the way everyone used the net, and lots of people were
>rubbing themselves against its scent glands in the hope that some of the
>smell would come off onto them.

>Javascript on the other hand was an irritating way of making menus
>blink, that didn't always work.

It was surprising that Sun, who had registered the "Java" trademark,
licensed it to Netscape for this purpose. Supposedly it was in return
for including Java in the Netscape browser.

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From: Rowland McDonnell on
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:

> Woody said:
>
> > Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Gremlins, I told you, bloody bloody gremlins.
> >>
> >> I really don't know; all I *do* know is that (I think) I am using the
> >> default installation. Because it just works. I certainly never turned
> >> off java.
> >
> > All I wish is that they hadn't named javascript a name 'to sound like it
> > had something to do with java', as people assume it does when there is
> > no connection at all.
>
> Livescript would be a good name.

Yuck.

Rowland.

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From: Woody on
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote:

> On 2010-03-24 14:12:05 +0000, Woody said:
>
> > Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Gremlins, I told you, bloody bloody gremlins.
> >>
> >> I really don't know; all I *do* know is that (I think) I am using the
> >> default installation. Because it just works. I certainly never turned
> >> off java.
> >
> > All I wish is that they hadn't named javascript a name 'to sound like it
> > had something to do with java', as people assume it does when there is
> > no connection at all.
>
> Livescript would be a good name.

Anything that didnt use the word java in it anywhere would be good. How
about actionscript?

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From: Woody on
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Gremlins, I told you, bloody bloody gremlins.
> >
> > I really don't know; all I *do* know is that (I think) I am using the
> > default installation. Because it just works. I certainly never turned
> > off java.
>

<snip>

> Anyway, back to the point:

> I would have thought the interesting point here was the distinctly odd
> nature of the fix - obviously, there's some sort of fault inside Firefox
> to have caused the symptoms I've seen, some sort of glitch in the code.

What your fix would suggest to me has happened is that upgrading left
your javascript preferences in an indetermined state, which appears to
be all off (ie, virtually no permissions). I guess another state must
have gone in that wasn't there previously.

By changing something (anything, it isn't important which), firefox set
that preference to the state you had on the UI, and thus right. So it
worked again.

> Obviously, it's useful for people to know about this,

<snip>

It is. It would be probably handy if you raised it as a bug with the
firefox chaps. No, I don't know how to do that but I am sure they have a
big bugtracker somewhere. It is an important thing to note.

<snip>


> Now, Peter, some of use the non-default installation because the Web is
> unusuable without ad blocking and because it's horribly slow without
> flash blocking and because it's insecure without control over scripting
> and so on.

Its insecure anyway. there are currently some known flaws in the firefox
you are using, and any form of flash introduces a security risk. The
javascript switches less so.

Although it certainly isn't unusuable with the default settings,
although it may be to you.


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