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From: Stephen Horne on 28 Dec 2009 15:54 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:26:08 +0100, Peter K�hlmann <peter-koehlmann(a)t-online.de> wrote: >> Ah - it's a definition issue. Anyone who uses software other than >> Linux, and especially Windows, is automatically a troll. > >Why then did you try to imply that you also run linux? Because I do. The two are not mutually exclusive. There's this thing called dual booting. Non-morons quite often use it to have two, three, sometimes even more operating systems installed on the same PC. >You know, openly and blatantly lying will not exactly advance your cause. And you think that "deliberately misleading" is somehow morally different to "deliberately lying". You want to see a liar, look in the mirror.
From: Peter Köhlmann on 28 Dec 2009 16:35 Stephen Horne wrote: > On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:26:08 +0100, Peter Köhlmann > <peter-koehlmann(a)t-online.de> wrote: > >>> Ah - it's a definition issue. Anyone who uses software other than >>> Linux, and especially Windows, is automatically a troll. >> >>Why then did you try to imply that you also run linux? > > Because I do. Certainly. And I am the King of China > The two are not mutually exclusive. There's this thing > called dual booting. Non-morons quite often use it to have two, three, > sometimes even more operating systems installed on the same PC. That automatically would exclude you, it seems >>You know, openly and blatantly lying will not exactly advance your >>cause. > > And you think that "deliberately misleading" is somehow morally > different to "deliberately lying". > > You want to see a liar, look in the mirror. So you actually tell us again that you run linux? Someone as totally clueless about it as you are? I am certainly not dumb enough to believe you anything from now on. You are a liar -- Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' - they have 'arguments' - and they ALWAYS WIN THEM.
From: Stephen Horne on 28 Dec 2009 16:39 On 28 Dec 2009 20:19:23 GMT, G�nther Schwarz <strap(a)gmx.de> wrote: >PS: firestarter covers some of the things your were illustrating with >zone alarm. I still cannot accept that this is reasonable. If I bought a new hybrid car and went looking for advice on how to maintain it, and in the course of asking for that advice, described some of the things I'd do for the old gas guzzler, fully expecting to be told that some of that is inappropriate - would that define me as a hybrid-hating petrol fanboy, or as someone who is trying to turn batteries into petrol tanks? You'd think people might notice that the whole point is to make the transition to the hybrid. If newbies moving from Windows to Linux are required to dedicate 1000% effort plus psychic powers into never accidentally upsetting someone and triggering a temper tantrum, guess what? Well, no need to guess what, really, because this kind of thing is part of why Linux hasn't got a much bigger slice of the desktop market. Who wants to be Microsofts victim? Well, anyone who doesn't fancy being ripped to shreds by the militant wing of the Linux crowd for a start. If it's that or the from-frying-pan-to-fire even more closed and restrictive, wherever that's possible, Apple option - sometimes the best option you have is the lesser of various evils. And yes, I know the whole militant Linux thing is nowhere near what it was eight or ten years ago. And yes, I know there's some reason for sensitivity given the long history of anti-Linux FUD and it's believers. That doesn't mean I'm a legitimate scapegoat and punching bag for anyone who got his panties in a twist.
From: Stephen Horne on 28 Dec 2009 17:47 On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 22:35:03 +0100, Peter K�hlmann <peter-koehlmann(a)t-online.de> wrote: >So you actually tell us again that you run linux? Someone as totally >clueless about it as you are? Never claimed to be clueful WRT Linux. Why would I be asking for clue that I already have? Besides, I already said something earlier to the effect that as far as Linux is concerned, I am most certainly in the generally-clueless bracket. My expertise is in programming, but (as I often have to explain to relatives) building the car doesn't mean you can build or maintain the track to race it on. Similarly, just because I can program, doesn't mean I can program in Perl or PHP. I might throw up at the sight of Perl, and the upchuck may well parse and run as well as the original code, but I can hardly claim credit for that. I can install from a distro disk. I can login and logout, get a terminal up and running, and run the compiler. For some reason, I cannot find a text editor that I like, but the Windows situation isn't much different there. I resist the urge to write one myself, as I once did in DOS, because I know the sad truth - I really *really* hated the editor I wrote myself. Besides, I have enough issues with the development enviroment because - you guessed it - I'm more familiar with Visual Studio and Windows APIs, get irritated with people who think the Posix standard is part of the C++ standard, and haven't really got a clue what's going on in those configure scripts etc etc. I'm no more scared of Yast than of the Windows control panel, my KDE4 desktop has as much pointless clutter as anyones (how can anyone live without a phase-of-the-moon widget on the desktop?), but despite many years of on-and-off dual booting and ancient Unix tips remembered from college (turns out the C shell wasn't a great choice) - lots of vague bits and pieces with little or none of the detail, plenty obsolete anyway (I only recently realised less is more than more) - my linux ability is roughly in-line with what you'd expect from a non-Geek desktop user a few months after first contact, except that I don't know the first thing about Facebook on any platform because I'm too much of a Geek for that kind of thing. I never claimed to be a Linux expert, or a network admin, or twenty-distros-a-year tinkerer or any kind of Guru. I only claimed that I use Linux, which I do, irrespective of the fact that I also use Windows.
From: Paul J Gans on 28 Dec 2009 23:08
J G Miller <miller(a)yoyo.org> wrote: >On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 04:05:29 +0000, Paul J Gans wrote: >> In general NOTHING connects to the internet without you telling >> it to do that. >... >> the updater applet (or YAST) will tell you if updates are >> available. >Except as you have just pointed out, the updater applet. Sure. The big difference is that in Windows the program's installer does the installation. And you can't tell what it is doing. In a normal linux environment the system (i.e. YAST) installs the program. Sure, if you do something stupid you can be in trouble. But on my Windows machine I've got a slew of programs each individually attempting to access the internet all on their own. We hates that. Of course they are legit (at least I hope so) and looking only for updates, or so they say. -- --- Paul J. Gans |