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From: Don Stockbauer on 24 Mar 2010 06:55
On Mar 23, 11:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 23, 8:58 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 23, 8:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 23, 6:20 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 23, 7:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 23, 4:59 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:34 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 3:26 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail..com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > General Relativity contradicts the Special Theory in the case of a
> > > > > > > > > > black hole horizon. There is an end to time giving an infinite red
> > > > > > > > > > shift and a speed of light freefall.  And if there is more gravity
> > > > > > > > > > inside that speed of light fall for energy must increase beyond C.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Gravity at the extreme of black holes proves to be a failure. We need
> > > > > > > > > > a kind of limited gravity theory that discounts black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > Wal-Mart might be able to help you out, but it would have to be
> > > > > > > > > Chinese black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > This post no content.
>
> > > > > > > GR violates SR at the event horizon by causing the end of time and
> > > > > > > light speed freefall. And if there is even more gravity inside a black
> > > > > > > hole acceleration ought to push matter faster than light. Black holes
> > > > > > > are a theoretical failure. Even Hawking pointed this out. The
> > > > > > > singularity is a problem but so is the event horizon.
>
> > > > > > So they don't exist?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > Massive redshifts exist. We are not seeing black holes.
>
> > > > I don't see you.  Yet I detect your communication.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > How do you detect fast enough if you do not use the fastest
> > > comuminacting force of light?
>
> > Usenet notes do travel at the speed of light, or some large fraction
> > of it when traveling through wire.  So, what do you think I use if I'm
> > "not using  the fastest comuminacting force of light"?- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Falling at light speed at the extreme of GR gravity theory is a
> violation of the Special Theory's motion law. Matter cannot reach
> light speed. That is why black holes are wrong theory.
>

The general theory is more general than the special theory. The
special theory is for special children.

From: BURT on 24 Mar 2010 15:35
On Mar 24, 3:55 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 23, 11:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 23, 8:58 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 23, 8:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 23, 6:20 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 23, 7:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:59 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:34 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail..com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 3:26 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > General Relativity contradicts the Special Theory in the case of a
> > > > > > > > > > > black hole horizon. There is an end to time giving an infinite red
> > > > > > > > > > > shift and a speed of light freefall.  And if there is more gravity
> > > > > > > > > > > inside that speed of light fall for energy must increase beyond C.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Gravity at the extreme of black holes proves to be a failure. We need
> > > > > > > > > > > a kind of limited gravity theory that discounts black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Wal-Mart might be able to help you out, but it would have to be
> > > > > > > > > > Chinese black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > This post no content.
>
> > > > > > > > GR violates SR at the event horizon by causing the end of time and
> > > > > > > > light speed freefall. And if there is even more gravity inside a black
> > > > > > > > hole acceleration ought to push matter faster than light. Black holes
> > > > > > > > are a theoretical failure. Even Hawking pointed this out. The
> > > > > > > > singularity is a problem but so is the event horizon.
>
> > > > > > > So they don't exist?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > Massive redshifts exist. We are not seeing black holes.
>
> > > > > I don't see you.  Yet I detect your communication.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > How do you detect fast enough if you do not use the fastest
> > > > comuminacting force of light?
>
> > > Usenet notes do travel at the speed of light, or some large fraction
> > > of it when traveling through wire.  So, what do you think I use if I'm
> > > "not using  the fastest comuminacting force of light"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Falling at light speed at the extreme of GR gravity theory is a
> > violation of the Special Theory's motion law. Matter cannot reach
> > light speed. That is why black holes are wrong theory.
>
> The general theory is more general than the special theory.  The
> special theory is for special children.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Still if it GR violates the motion laws then it indicates that it is a
failure.

Mitch Raemsch
From: Don Stockbauer on 25 Mar 2010 08:53
On Mar 24, 2:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 3:55 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 23, 11:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 23, 8:58 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 23, 8:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 23, 6:20 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 23, 7:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:59 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:34 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 3:26 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > General Relativity contradicts the Special Theory in the case of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > black hole horizon. There is an end to time giving an infinite red
> > > > > > > > > > > > shift and a speed of light freefall.  And if there is more gravity
> > > > > > > > > > > > inside that speed of light fall for energy must increase beyond C.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity at the extreme of black holes proves to be a failure. We need
> > > > > > > > > > > > a kind of limited gravity theory that discounts black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Wal-Mart might be able to help you out, but it would have to be
> > > > > > > > > > > Chinese black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > This post no content.
>
> > > > > > > > > GR violates SR at the event horizon by causing the end of time and
> > > > > > > > > light speed freefall. And if there is even more gravity inside a black
> > > > > > > > > hole acceleration ought to push matter faster than light. Black holes
> > > > > > > > > are a theoretical failure. Even Hawking pointed this out. The
> > > > > > > > > singularity is a problem but so is the event horizon.
>
> > > > > > > > So they don't exist?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > Massive redshifts exist. We are not seeing black holes.
>
> > > > > > I don't see you.  Yet I detect your communication.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > How do you detect fast enough if you do not use the fastest
> > > > > comuminacting force of light?
>
> > > > Usenet notes do travel at the speed of light, or some large fraction
> > > > of it when traveling through wire.  So, what do you think I use if I'm
> > > > "not using  the fastest comuminacting force of light"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Falling at light speed at the extreme of GR gravity theory is a
> > > violation of the Special Theory's motion law. Matter cannot reach
> > > light speed. That is why black holes are wrong theory.
>
> > The general theory is more general than the special theory.  The
> > special theory is for special children.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Still if it GR violates the motion laws then it indicates that it is a
> failure.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

The only way to win is to not play.
From: BURT on 25 Mar 2010 14:27
On Mar 25, 5:53 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 2:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 3:55 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 23, 11:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 23, 8:58 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 23, 8:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 23, 6:20 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 23, 7:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:59 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail..com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:34 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 3:26 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > General Relativity contradicts the Special Theory in the case of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > black hole horizon. There is an end to time giving an infinite red
> > > > > > > > > > > > > shift and a speed of light freefall.  And if there is more gravity
> > > > > > > > > > > > > inside that speed of light fall for energy must increase beyond C.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity at the extreme of black holes proves to be a failure. We need
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a kind of limited gravity theory that discounts black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wal-Mart might be able to help you out, but it would have to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > This post no content.
>
> > > > > > > > > > GR violates SR at the event horizon by causing the end of time and
> > > > > > > > > > light speed freefall. And if there is even more gravity inside a black
> > > > > > > > > > hole acceleration ought to push matter faster than light. Black holes
> > > > > > > > > > are a theoretical failure. Even Hawking pointed this out. The
> > > > > > > > > > singularity is a problem but so is the event horizon.
>
> > > > > > > > > So they don't exist?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > Massive redshifts exist. We are not seeing black holes.
>
> > > > > > > I don't see you.  Yet I detect your communication.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > How do you detect fast enough if you do not use the fastest
> > > > > > comuminacting force of light?
>
> > > > > Usenet notes do travel at the speed of light, or some large fraction
> > > > > of it when traveling through wire.  So, what do you think I use if I'm
> > > > > "not using  the fastest comuminacting force of light"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Falling at light speed at the extreme of GR gravity theory is a
> > > > violation of the Special Theory's motion law. Matter cannot reach
> > > > light speed. That is why black holes are wrong theory.
>
> > > The general theory is more general than the special theory.  The
> > > special theory is for special children.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Still if it GR violates the motion laws then it indicates that it is a
> > failure.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> The only way to win is to not play.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Falling at light speed is a violation of the SR speed limit.

Mitch Raemsch
From: Don Stockbauer on 25 Mar 2010 17:09
On Mar 25, 1:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 5:53 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 24, 2:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 24, 3:55 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 23, 11:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 23, 8:58 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Mar 23, 8:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Mar 23, 6:20 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 7:04 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:59 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 3:50 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 4:34 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 22, 3:26 am, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 10:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > General Relativity contradicts the Special Theory in the case of a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > black hole horizon. There is an end to time giving an infinite red
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shift and a speed of light freefall.  And if there is more gravity
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside that speed of light fall for energy must increase beyond C.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravity at the extreme of black holes proves to be a failure. We need
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a kind of limited gravity theory that discounts black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wal-Mart might be able to help you out, but it would have to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > This post no content.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > GR violates SR at the event horizon by causing the end of time and
> > > > > > > > > > > light speed freefall. And if there is even more gravity inside a black
> > > > > > > > > > > hole acceleration ought to push matter faster than light. Black holes
> > > > > > > > > > > are a theoretical failure. Even Hawking pointed this out. The
> > > > > > > > > > > singularity is a problem but so is the event horizon.
>
> > > > > > > > > > So they don't exist?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > > Massive redshifts exist. We are not seeing black holes.
>
> > > > > > > > I don't see you.  Yet I detect your communication.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > How do you detect fast enough if you do not use the fastest
> > > > > > > comuminacting force of light?
>
> > > > > > Usenet notes do travel at the speed of light, or some large fraction
> > > > > > of it when traveling through wire.  So, what do you think I use if I'm
> > > > > > "not using  the fastest comuminacting force of light"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > Falling at light speed at the extreme of GR gravity theory is a
> > > > > violation of the Special Theory's motion law. Matter cannot reach
> > > > > light speed. That is why black holes are wrong theory.
>
> > > > The general theory is more general than the special theory.  The
> > > > special theory is for special children.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Still if it GR violates the motion laws then it indicates that it is a
> > > failure.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > The only way to win is to not play.
>
> Falling at light speed is a violation of the SR speed limit.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

The only way to win is to not play
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