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From: zoara on 19 Apr 2010 09:14 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > [snip] > > > I don't think it was even important (or unexpected) that there were > > no > > customers. I think it was a showcase product (as the only thing > > unique > > was the casing, the computer was 'off the shelf') > > I am sure the publicity from it was very important. > > My thinking exactly. > It is? *goes back and read's Rowland's previous post again* Er... Okaaaay. I didn't get that from what you wrote at all. Oh well. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: zoara on 19 Apr 2010 09:14 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > > It was naive to think that there were enough potential customers > > (both > > rich enough and idiotic enough to buy one) that the project would be > > profitable. Cynicism and naivety aren't mutually exclusive. > > I don't think it was even important (or unexpected) that there were no > customers. I think it was a showcase product (as the only thing unique > was the casing, the computer was 'off the shelf') > I am sure the publicity from it was very important. > Ah. Like concept cars. Yeah, that makes sense. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Dr Geoff Hone on 20 Apr 2010 09:26 On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:49:19 +0100, real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: >Apple gets input from Europe... But it's US-tainted, like The Steve. > ><shrug> Think of the difference between and F86 Sabre and a Hawker >Hunter. Or a Lockheed Starfighter and a Dassault Mirage. > >That's what I'm talking about - the American stuff looks the part all >right, looks good, yeah? But a Mirage can make my heart melt, and - >well, if it's de Havilland or Hawker, it looks lovely, and that's that. > What an unfair comparison, Rowland. The F86 Sabre was a 1947 design, and saw combat in Korea while we were still flying Meteors as "fighters". The Hunter was a 1951 design. You only have to stand in front of one for about five seconds to see that the design was poor, and all the people who have flown one say that the cockpit ergonomics were total rubbish.. The Mirage III was a 1956 design, and the Mirage F1 was a 1966 design. Yes, they might look nice, but Delta wings without an additional stabiliser at tail, or as a canard, means no flaps and that means a looooong take-off run (and the same when landing). You might as well compare an Apple II+ with an LC III or a G3 Powermac. Thats roughly the same development period. When we do develop good aircraft they do not go into service and we wonder why foreign nations do not buy them. Instead, we produce flawed designs like the English Electric Lightening, and try to operate those instead. Geoff
From: Woody on 20 Apr 2010 09:40 Dr Geoff Hone <gnhone(a)globalnet.co.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 06:49:19 +0100, > real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid (Rowland McDonnell) wrote: > > > >Apple gets input from Europe... But it's US-tainted, like The Steve. > > > ><shrug> Think of the difference between and F86 Sabre and a Hawker > >Hunter. Or a Lockheed Starfighter and a Dassault Mirage. > > > >That's what I'm talking about - the American stuff looks the part all > >right, looks good, yeah? But a Mirage can make my heart melt, and - > >well, if it's de Havilland or Hawker, it looks lovely, and that's > > that. > > > What an unfair comparison, Rowland. > The F86 Sabre was a 1947 design, and saw combat in Korea while we were > still flying Meteors as "fighters". > The Hunter was a 1951 design. You only have to stand in front of one > for about five seconds to see that the design was poor, and all the > people who have flown one say that the cockpit ergonomics were total > rubbish.. Doesn't really matter in this context, this is about looks rather than abilities (more 'britains got talent' than 'battle of the bands') -- Woody
From: zoara on 20 Apr 2010 10:58
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> > > wrote: > > > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > It was naive to think that there were enough potential customers > > > > (both > > > > rich enough and idiotic enough to buy one) that the project > > > > would be > > > > profitable. Cynicism and naivety aren't mutually exclusive. > > > > > > It's very rude of you to insult me with the pejoration you use > > > above - > > > calling me naive like that is grossly insulting and I'll thank you > > > to > > > leave personal abuse like that out of it in future. > > > > Er. Not directed at you. > > Er, I still read it as an insult directed at me. How? Did you design the kitchen computer? This might be part of the reason you feel you are always being insulted - if you're reading my discussion of the naivety of the people producing the kitchen computer as a) insulting and b) directed at you, then you're likely to see personal insults everywhere. For reference - though I hate going down this nit-picking route - further up the thread you wrote, about the kitchen computer: "Point is, though: it was a cynical attempt to exploit rich idiots, not at all naive." I replied "It was naive to think that there were enough potential customers [...]" So I was talking about the kitchen computer, not you. Just like you were. I struggle to see how you could possibly think that the "gross insult" of naivety could be directed at you. > I'd like you to stop behaving badly towards me. You don't want to. If I knew how to stop behaving in a way that you *perceive* as behaving badly towards you, I would. I'd love to be able to - it would make both our lives easier. I'm going to have to go back to ignoring you, I'm afraid. Shame, as I wanted to discuss the "Wikipedia on C90" thing with you - I found it curiously interesting - but I'm now afraid that however carefully I tread, you will perceive insult where it is not intended. It doesn't seem worth the effort. Sorry. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm |