Gravity is a property of mass - not a property of space !! [Physics]

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From: mpc755 on 16 Jul 2010 15:43

On Jul 16, 1:47 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 11:16 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 16, 12:07 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 16, 10:34 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 16, 11:27 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 16, 10:10 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > O' wise one, share your wisdom for all to see.
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> > > No. This wisdom is openly available in media different than and much
> > > better suited than this one for learning the answers to the questions
> > > you ask.
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> > O' wise one, share your wisdom for all to see.
>
> I bet this approach works really well with the ladies.

O' wise one, share your wisdom for all to see.

Explain what occurs physically in nature to cause spacetime to curve
but not move.
Explain what occurs physically in nature which allows a C-60 molecule
to enter, travel through, and exit multiple slits simultaneously
without losing momentum.
Explain what occurs physically in nature when mass converts to energy.
Explain what occurs physically in nature which allows the future to
determine the past.
Explain what occurs physically in nature to cause gravity.

Dark Matter Displacement explains what occurs physically in nature in
all of the above.

Dark matter is displaced by matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced.
Displaced dark matter exerts pressure towards the matter.
A moving particle has an associated dark matter displacement wave.
Physical effects caused by matter converting to dark matter is energy.
Mass is conserved.
The future does not determine the past in the physics of nature.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.

From: BURT on 16 Jul 2010 18:06

On Jul 16, 7:09 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 10:03 am, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 11, 11:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Gravity is a property of mass!!
> > > it is *not* a property of space!
>
> > > now of curved space time or other nonsense physic s alike !!
> > > peoplehave lost too muchtime on that nonsense
> > > curved space time
> > > gravity should be loked in some basic mass particle
> > > emitted from big masses
> > > he Circlon'' might be a good start !!
> > > the Circlon is a basic particle
> > > that
> > > 'moves naturally in curved or circular paths
> > > naturallt mease it is a premise
> > > ie
> > > it does not move in a curved pass
> > > because 'some forces make it move like that but =
> > > but it moves in a curved path
> > > 'because it was 'born' like that
> > > and is actually the cause of all atractin froces
> > > iow
> > > it is a premis
> > > exactly as 'curved space trime is another *premis*
>
> > > the photon cannot be an attraction agent
> > > because it moves in a **straight lines**
> > > and if so to be an attraction agent is against the
> > > conservation of Momentum principle
> > > (the momentum has direction ...!!)
> > > 2
> > > another nonsense attraction particle are the W or Z
>
> > > AN ATTRACTION AGENT CANNOT BE BIGGER THAN ITS MOTHER
> > > PARTICLE !!!
> > > etc etc etc nonsense physics that 'modern physics''
> > > is filled with
> > > without any one eating it without blinking an eye!!
> > > (mainly fucken mathematicians
> > > that lead us toi a dead end position !!!)
>
> > > Y.Porat
> > > --------------------------------------
>
> > Actually, mass is a property of space:
>
> > T_uv = G_uv/8pi
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> Actually mass is a property of dark matter and matter.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Mass is infinitely dense points of energy fundamental at C squared and
above and below through Gamma of gravity and infinite dense energy
flowing through space.

Mitch Raemsch

From: Y.Porat on 16 Jul 2010 21:40

On Jul 16, 2:16 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 15, 3:32 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 15, 8:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 15, 11:04 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 15, 2:36 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 15, 2:47 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Jul 15, 7:06 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Jul 14, 6:06 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 10:20 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 11:13 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 9:58 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 10:54 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 9:25 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gm > varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water
> > > > > consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise
> > > > > it as a medium."
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> > > > > Dark matter does not move with matter. Dark matter is displaced by
> > > > > matter. If you roll a bowling ball down a ramp through a tank of water
> > > > > then the water does not move with the bowling ball. The ...
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> > > > > read more »
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> > > > ==============
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> > > > did you understand that
> > > > in order to have any movement
> > > > (including your water ripples)
>
> > > > there must be some COMPLETELY EMPTY SPACE
> > > > TO ENABLE THAT MOVEMENT ??
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> > > Just the opposite. In order for there to be ripples, there must be
> > > material.
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> > > How do you explain the following if space is a void?
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> > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
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> > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > water."
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> > > The above is evidence of dark matter displaced by matter.
> > > The above is evidence of the correctness of Dark Matter Displacement.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > If there was invisible stuff in space it would slow down movement
> > through it. This clearly is not the case.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> 'Frictionless supersolid a step closer'http://www.physorg.com/news185201084.html
>
> "Superfluidity and superconductivity cause particles to move without
> friction. Koos Gubbels investigated under what conditions such
> particles keep moving endlessly without losing energy, like a swimmer
> who takes one mighty stroke and then keeps gliding forever along the
> swimming pool."
>
> In the analogy the swimmer is any body and the water is the dark
> matter. Just as the swimmer displaces the water, whether the swimmer
> is at rest with respect to the water, or not, a body displaces dark
> matter, whether the body is at rest with respect to the dark matter,
> or not.
>
> In the analogy the moving swimmer creates a displacement wave in the
> water. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in dark matter.
>
> 'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum
> medium and the inertial motion of particles'http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0701/0701155.pdf
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> "Abstract: The similarity between the energy spectra of relativistic
> particles and that of quasi-particles in super-conductivity BCS theory
> makes us conjecture that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as
> the ground state of the background field is a super fluid medium, and
> the rest mass of a relativistic particle is like the energy gap of a
> quasi-particle. This conjecture is strongly supported by the results
> of our following investigation: a particle moving through the vacuum
> medium at a speed less than the speed of light in vacuum, though
> interacting with the vacuum medium, never feels friction force and
> thus undergoes a frictionless and inertial motion."
>
> A particle in the super fluid medium displaces the super fluid medium,
> whether the particle is at rest with respect to the super fluid
> medium, or not. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the
> super fluid medium.
>
> A particle in dark matter displaces the dark matter, whether the
> particle is at rest with respect to the dark matter, or not. The
> particle could be an individual nucleus. A moving particle creates a
> displacement wave in the dark matter.
>
> Dark matter is displaced by an individual nucleus. When discussing
> gravity as the pressure associated with the dark matter displaced by
> matter, what is being discussed is the dark matter being displaced by
> each and every nucleus which is the matter which is the object.
>
> 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics
> by the double solution theory
> Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf
>
> "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the
> wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case
> of an external field acting on the particle."
>
> "This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present
> theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave
> where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite
> natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always
> be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is
> located."
>
> de Broglie's definition of wave-particle duality is of a physical wave
> and a physical particle. The particle occupies a very small region of
> the wave.
>
> In Dark Matter Displacement, the external field is the dark matter. In
> a double slit experiment the particle occupies a very small region of
> the wave and enters and exits a single slit. The wave enters and exits
> the available slits. The dark matter displacement wave creates
> interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the
> particle travels. Detecting the particle causes decoherence of the
> associated dark matter displacement wave (i.e. turns the wave into
> chop) and there is no interference.
>
> http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/176487main_hst_dark_ring_2_full.jpg
>
> "Although astronomers cannot see dark matter, they can infer its
> existence in galaxy clusters by observing how its gravity bends the
> light of more distant background galaxies, a powerful effect called
> gravitational lensing. The blue streaks near the center of another
> Hubble image of the cluster are the distorted shapes of more distant
> galaxies, whose light was bent and magnified by the powerful gravity
> of Cl 0024+17."
>
> The displacement of dark matter by matter causes gravitational
> lensing.
> The pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is
> gravity.

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why dont you speak about the 'Circlon'
you could speak much less ..!!
(:-)

Y.P
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From: Y.Porat on 16 Jul 2010 21:52

On Jul 16, 8:03 pm, ben6993 <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 6:43 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote:
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> > "ben6993" <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:4b29cc53-4872-4945-863d-debbe0f7253e(a)q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com....
> > On Jul 16, 3:37 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 15, 11:45 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > you have to undertsnad that
> > > > completely empty space is **much bigger in volume than
> > > > occupies space !!
> > > > and that empty space includes in it
> > > > NOTHING
> > > > no porperties at all!!
>
> > > Sorry, Porat, but this last statement here is observationally wrong.
> > > You seem to want to insist that this MUST be true, by declaration or
> > > definition.
> > > As I told you, we do not get to make those kinds of declarations.
>
> > Hi Porat. To know that a given volume was completely empty would
> > imply that you knew everything that could possibly be in it, and that
> > you have excluded all possibilities. That would imply that you had an
> > infinite knowledge of all that could be 'not nothing'. Exotic
> > particles, dark matter, dark energy, if they exist, and other things
> > not yet suspected. How would you know that a volume that appears to
> > you to look empty actually has nothing in it?
> > ========================================
> > That's easy, he could examine the space between your ears.
>
> He could look for what's left of your posts when the malice and curses
> are removed.

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HI again Ben!
can you understand why i said that
the fact that there is movement ---

is a prove that

there is complete empty space ??

TIA
Y.Porat
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From: mpc755 on 16 Jul 2010 22:54

On Jul 16, 6:06 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 16, 7:09 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 16, 10:03 am, funkenstein <luke.s...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 11, 11:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Gravity is a property of mass!!
> > > > it is *not* a property of space!
>
> > > > now of curved space time or other nonsense physic s alike !!
> > > > peoplehave lost too muchtime on that nonsense
> > > > curved space time
> > > > gravity should be loked in some basic mass particle
> > > > emitted from big masses
> > > > he Circlon'' might be a good start !!
> > > > the Circlon is a basic particle
> > > > that
> > > > 'moves naturally in curved or circular paths
> > > > naturallt mease it is a premise
> > > > ie
> > > > it does not move in a curved pass
> > > > because 'some forces make it move like that but =
> > > > but it moves in a curved path
> > > > 'because it was 'born' like that
> > > > and is actually the cause of all atractin froces
> > > > iow
> > > > it is a premis
> > > > exactly as 'curved space trime is another *premis*
>
> > > > the photon cannot be an attraction agent
> > > > because it moves in a **straight lines**
> > > > and if so to be an attraction agent is against the
> > > > conservation of Momentum principle
> > > > (the momentum has direction ...!!)
> > > > 2
> > > > another nonsense attraction particle are the W or Z
>
> > > > AN ATTRACTION AGENT CANNOT BE BIGGER THAN ITS MOTHER
> > > > PARTICLE !!!
> > > > etc etc etc nonsense physics that 'modern physics''
> > > > is filled with
> > > > without any one eating it without blinking an eye!!
> > > > (mainly fucken mathematicians
> > > > that lead us toi a dead end position !!!)
>
> > > > Y.Porat
> > > > --------------------------------------
>
> > > Actually, mass is a property of space:
>
> > > T_uv = G_uv/8pi
>
> > Actually mass is a property of dark matter and matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Mass is infinitely dense points of energy fundamental at C squared and
> above and below through Gamma of gravity and infinite dense energy
> flowing through space.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

Actually, There can be no space nor any part of space without mass.