Gravity is a property of mass - not a property of space !! [Physics]

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From: mpc755 on 14 Jul 2010 10:25

On Jul 14, 10:21 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 6:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 12:53 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 13, 2:38 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 12, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!!
> > > > > > it is *not* a property of space!
>
> > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's
> > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction
> > > > > with matter and energy.
>
> > > > > > now of curved space time or other nonsense physic s alike !!
> > > > > > peoplehave lost too muchtime on that nonsense
> > > > > > curved space time
> > > > > > gravity should be loked in some basic mass particle
> > > > > > emitted from big masses
> > > > > > he Circlon'' might be a good start !!
> > > > > > the Circlon is a basic particle
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > 'moves naturally in curved or circular paths
> > > > > > naturallt mease it is a premise
> > > > > > ie
> > > > > > it does not move in a curved pass
> > > > > > because 'some forces make it move like that but =
> > > > > > but it moves in a curved path
> > > > > > 'because it was 'born' like that
> > > > > > and is actually the cause of all atractin froces
> > > > > > iow
> > > > > > it is a premis
> > > > > > exactly as 'curved space trime is another *premis*
>
> > > > > > the photon cannot be an attraction agent
> > > > > > because it moves in a **straight lines**
> > > > > > and if so to be an attraction agent is against the
> > > > > > conservation of Momentum principle
> > > > > > (the momentum has direction ...!!)
> > > > > > 2
> > > > > > another nonsense attraction particle are the W or Z
>
> > > > > > AN ATTRACTION AGENT CANNOT BE BIGGER THAN ITS MOTHER
> > > > > > PARTICLE !!!
> > > > > > etc etc etc nonsense physics that 'modern physics''
> > > > > > is filled with
> > > > > > without any one eating it without blinking an eye!!
> > > > > > (mainly fucken mathematicians
> > > > > > that lead us toi a dead end position !!!)
>
> > > > > > Y.Porat
> > > > > > --------------------------------------
>
> > > > Bravo
> > > > you make some advance
> > > > even if inspired by me (:-)
>
> > > There is no recent advance here. I've just told you what's been
> > > understood since 1915, and which you would be able to find for
> > > yourself just by reading a book.
>
> > > > now
> > > > i have a little question for you PD
>
> > > > if you say 'an interaction'
> > > > so it is an interaction between
> > > > two physical entities
>
> > > Yes, between matter and spacetime.
>
> > > > yet i order to understand that INTERACTION between those 2
> > > > entities
> > > > we have to know to scratch
> > > > the properties of those two actors
> > > > am i right ???
> > > > if so
> > > > whqt are the properties of that
> > > > mysterious space that can
> > > > curve a motion that would otherwise
> > > > move in a straight line
>
> > > I've already listed properties in another post for you. Did you read
> > > that?
>
> > > > 2
> > > > for example
> > > > out earth moved in a circle around the sun
> > > > and all that happens in space
> > > > now
> > > > **if that sun was not there**
> > > > our earth move in a strigfgt line isn t that so ??
> > > > so ???
> > > > what made our earth to move i a circle
> > > > is it space ???
> > > > or is it the -
> > > > sun
> > > > and earths masses ??
>
> > > The sun affects the curvature of spacetime in the vicinity of the
> > > Earth (and everywhere else), and the Earth responds to the curvature
> > > of spacetime where it is at. The same is true vice-versa.
>
> > The sun displaces dark matter and the Earth responds to the
> > displacement of dark matter where it is at.
>
> Well, YOU say the sun displaces dark matter. Physicists are probably
> talking about something different than what you're talking about then.
>

You can not explain how spacetime curves but does not move because you
have no idea what occurs physically in nature.

What you are trying to say, but failing miserably, is dark matter is
displaced by matter.

> > The same is true vice-
> > versa.
>
> > The dark matter is not at rest when displaced and displaces back. The
> > displacing back is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter
> > towards the Earth and the sun.
>
> > The pressure exerted by displaced dark matter is gravity.
>
> > > This is all very basic stuff. You should be very familiar with it.
>
> > > > 2
> > > > if we have jsut one mass in space
> > > > what is its interaction with space ??
>
> > > > 3
> > > > if we have only two masses in space
> > > > but the distance between the two mass
> > > > --is a very very big big distance
> > > > (between those two masses)
> > > > what is the **interaction**
> > > > (inter **....). action)
> > > > between
> > > > those two mass --->-
> > > > ------>****AND SPACE ** ??!!
>
> > > > TIA
> > > > Y.Porat
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From: Inertial on 14 Jul 2010 10:34

"PD" wrote in message
news:d602dc3a-2ea5-409d-aaf1-71d052093a54(a)z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>> > > 2
>> > > if we have just one mass in space
>> > > what is its interaction with space ??
>
>It alters the metric of the space around it.

I worded it in layman's terms for Porat as 'it curves spacetime' .. but
that's the same thing

>,> > ----------------
>> ???
>> > > 3
>> > > if we have only two masses in space
>> > > but the distance between the two mass
>> > > --is a very very big big distance
>> > > (between those two masses)
>> > > what is the **interaction**
>> > > (inter **....). action)
>> > > between
>> > > those two mass --->-
>> > > ------>****AND SPACE ** ??!!
>
>Each of the masses affects the curvature of the space everywhere, just
>like two charged ping-pong balls affect the electric field in space
>everywhere.

Again , same thing I was saying .. they both curve spacetime, and that
curvature causes the masses to ('want' to) move.

> This is all basic stuff.

Yeup .. sure is.

From: PD on 14 Jul 2010 10:49

On Jul 14, 9:34 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote:
> "PD" wrote in message
>
> news:d602dc3a-2ea5-409d-aaf1-71d052093a54(a)z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > > 2
> >> > > if we have just one mass in space
> >> > > what is its interaction with space ??
>
> >It alters the metric of the space around it.
>
> I worded it in layman's terms for Porat as 'it curves spacetime' .. but
> that's the same thing

Yes.

>
>
>
>
>
> >,> > ----------------
> >> ???
> >> > > 3
> >> > > if we have only two masses in space
> >> > > but the distance between the two mass
> >> > > --is a very very big big distance
> >> > > (between those two masses)
> >> > > what is the **interaction**
> >> > > (inter **....). action)
> >> > > between
> >> > > those two mass --->-
> >> > > ------>****AND SPACE ** ??!!
>
> >Each of the masses affects the curvature of the space everywhere, just
> >like two charged ping-pong balls affect the electric field in space
> >everywhere.
>
> Again , same thing I was saying .. they both curve spacetime, and that
> curvature causes the masses to ('want' to) move.

Yes.

>
> > This is all basic stuff.
>
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From: PD on 14 Jul 2010 10:54

On Jul 14, 9:25 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 10:21 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 6:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 13, 12:53 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 13, 2:38 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 12, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!!
> > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space!
>
> > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's
> > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction
> > > > > > with matter and energy.
>
> > > > > > > now of curved space time or other nonsense physic s alike !!
> > > > > > > peoplehave lost too muchtime on that nonsense
> > > > > > > curved space time
> > > > > > > gravity should be loked in some basic mass particle
> > > > > > > emitted from big masses
> > > > > > > he Circlon'' might be a good start !!
> > > > > > > the Circlon is a basic particle
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > 'moves naturally in curved or circular paths
> > > > > > > naturallt mease it is a premise
> > > > > > > ie
> > > > > > > it does not move in a curved pass
> > > > > > > because 'some forces make it move like that but =
> > > > > > > but it moves in a curved path
> > > > > > > 'because it was 'born' like that
> > > > > > > and is actually the cause of all atractin froces
> > > > > > > iow
> > > > > > > it is a premis
> > > > > > > exactly as 'curved space trime is another *premis*
>
> > > > > > > the photon cannot be an attraction agent
> > > > > > > because it moves in a **straight lines**
> > > > > > > and if so to be an attraction agent is against the
> > > > > > > conservation of Momentum principle
> > > > > > > (the momentum has direction ...!!)
> > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > another nonsense attraction particle are the W or Z
>
> > > > > > > AN ATTRACTION AGENT CANNOT BE BIGGER THAN ITS MOTHER
> > > > > > > PARTICLE !!!
> > > > > > > etc etc etc nonsense physics that 'modern physics''
> > > > > > > is filled with
> > > > > > > without any one eating it without blinking an eye!!
> > > > > > > (mainly fucken mathematicians
> > > > > > > that lead us toi a dead end position !!!)
>
> > > > > > > Y.Porat
> > > > > > > --------------------------------------
>
> > > > > Bravo
> > > > > you make some advance
> > > > > even if inspired by me (:-)
>
> > > > There is no recent advance here. I've just told you what's been
> > > > understood since 1915, and which you would be able to find for
> > > > yourself just by reading a book.
>
> > > > > now
> > > > > i have a little question for you PD
>
> > > > > if you say 'an interaction'
> > > > > so it is an interaction between
> > > > > two physical entities
>
> > > > Yes, between matter and spacetime.
>
> > > > > yet i order to understand that INTERACTION between those 2
> > > > > entities
> > > > > we have to know to scratch
> > > > > the properties of those two actors
> > > > > am i right ???
> > > > > if so
> > > > > whqt are the properties of that
> > > > > mysterious space that can
> > > > > curve a motion that would otherwise
> > > > > move in a straight line
>
> > > > I've already listed properties in another post for you. Did you read
> > > > that?
>
> > > > > 2
> > > > > for example
> > > > > out earth moved in a circle around the sun
> > > > > and all that happens in space
> > > > > now
> > > > > **if that sun was not there**
> > > > > our earth move in a strigfgt line isn t that so ??
> > > > > so ???
> > > > > what made our earth to move i a circle
> > > > > is it space ???
> > > > > or is it the -
> > > > > sun
> > > > > and earths masses ??
>
> > > > The sun affects the curvature of spacetime in the vicinity of the
> > > > Earth (and everywhere else), and the Earth responds to the curvature
> > > > of spacetime where it is at. The same is true vice-versa.
>
> > > The sun displaces dark matter and the Earth responds to the
> > > displacement of dark matter where it is at.
>
> > Well, YOU say the sun displaces dark matter. Physicists are probably
> > talking about something different than what you're talking about then.
>
> You can not explain how spacetime curves but does not move because you
> have no idea what occurs physically in nature.

Well, you can say it's because of that, but your mistaken about that
"because" as much as you are about the others.
I DO NOT (not "can not") explain to you how spacetime curves but does
not move, because you are an insufferable jerk with severe emotional
problems.

Now, I'd be happy to have you assert that my motivations are not at
all what I think my motivations are, and that you have the unique, God-
blessed insight to see my motivations better than I do. This will
firmly establish your mental slide, and you will have the opportunity
to prepare for the day your company lets you go as a liability.

>
> What you are trying to say, but failing miserably, is dark matter is
> displaced by matter.
>
>
>
> > > The same is true vice-
> > > versa.
>
> > > The dark matter is not at rest when displaced and displaces back. The
> > > displacing back is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter
> > > towards the Earth and the sun.
>
> > > The pressure exerted by displaced dark matter is gravity.
>
> > > > This is all very basic stuff. You should be very familiar with it.
>
> > > > > 2
> > > > > if we have jsut one mass in space
> > > > > what is its interaction with space ??
>
> > > > > 3
> > > > > if we have only two masses in space
> > > > > but the distance between the two mass
> > > > > --is a very very big big distance
> > > > > (between those two masses)
> > > > > what is the **interaction**
> > > > > (inter **....). action)
> > > > > between
> > > > > those two mass --->-
> > > > > ------>****AND SPACE ** ??!!
>
> > > > > TIA
> > > > > Y.Porat
> > > > > --------------------- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

From: mpc755 on 14 Jul 2010 10:58

On Jul 14, 10:54 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 9:25 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 10:21 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 13, 6:35 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 13, 12:53 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 13, 2:38 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 12, 7:45 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jul 11, 4:19 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Gravity is a property of mass!!
> > > > > > > > it is *not* a property of space!
>
> > > > > > > Gravity is not a property. It is an interaction. It involves matter's
> > > > > > > and energy's interaction with spacetime, and spacetime's interaction
> > > > > > > with matter and energy.
>
> > > > > > > > now of curved space time or other nonsense physic s alike !!
> > > > > > > > peoplehave lost too muchtime on that nonsense
> > > > > > > > curved space time
> > > > > > > > gravity should be loked in some basic mass particle
> > > > > > > > emitted from big masses
> > > > > > > > he Circlon'' might be a good start !!
> > > > > > > > the Circlon is a basic particle
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > 'moves naturally in curved or circular paths
> > > > > > > > naturallt mease it is a premise
> > > > > > > > ie
> > > > > > > > it does not move in a curved pass
> > > > > > > > because 'some forces make it move like that but =
> > > > > > > > but it moves in a curved path
> > > > > > > > 'because it was 'born' like that
> > > > > > > > and is actually the cause of all atractin froces
> > > > > > > > iow
> > > > > > > > it is a premis
> > > > > > > > exactly as 'curved space trime is another *premis*
>
> > > > > > > > the photon cannot be an attraction agent
> > > > > > > > because it moves in a **straight lines**
> > > > > > > > and if so to be an attraction agent is against the
> > > > > > > > conservation of Momentum principle
> > > > > > > > (the momentum has direction ...!!)
> > > > > > > > 2
> > > > > > > > another nonsense attraction particle are the W or Z
>
> > > > > > > > AN ATTRACTION AGENT CANNOT BE BIGGER THAN ITS MOTHER
> > > > > > > > PARTICLE !!!
> > > > > > > > etc etc etc nonsense physics that 'modern physics''
> > > > > > > > is filled with
> > > > > > > > without any one eating it without blinking an eye!!
> > > > > > > > (mainly fucken mathematicians
> > > > > > > > that lead us toi a dead end position !!!)
>
> > > > > > > > Y.Porat
> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------
>
> > > > > > Bravo
> > > > > > you make some advance
> > > > > > even if inspired by me (:-)
>
> > > > > There is no recent advance here. I've just told you what's been
> > > > > understood since 1915, and which you would be able to find for
> > > > > yourself just by reading a book.
>
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > i have a little question for you PD
>
> > > > > > if you say 'an interaction'
> > > > > > so it is an interaction between
> > > > > > two physical entities
>
> > > > > Yes, between matter and spacetime.
>
> > > > > > yet i order to understand that INTERACTION between those 2
> > > > > > entities
> > > > > > we have to know to scratch
> > > > > > the properties of those two actors
> > > > > > am i right ???
> > > > > > if so
> > > > > > whqt are the properties of that
> > > > > > mysterious space that can
> > > > > > curve a motion that would otherwise
> > > > > > move in a straight line
>
> > > > > I've already listed properties in another post for you. Did you read
> > > > > that?
>
> > > > > > 2
> > > > > > for example
> > > > > > out earth moved in a circle around the sun
> > > > > > and all that happens in space
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > **if that sun was not there**
> > > > > > our earth move in a strigfgt line isn t that so ??
> > > > > > so ???
> > > > > > what made our earth to move i a circle
> > > > > > is it space ???
> > > > > > or is it the -
> > > > > > sun
> > > > > > and earths masses ??
>
> > > > > The sun affects the curvature of spacetime in the vicinity of the
> > > > > Earth (and everywhere else), and the Earth responds to the curvature
> > > > > of spacetime where it is at. The same is true vice-versa.
>
> > > > The sun displaces dark matter and the Earth responds to the
> > > > displacement of dark matter where it is at.
>
> > > Well, YOU say the sun displaces dark matter. Physicists are probably
> > > talking about something different than what you're talking about then..
>
> > You can not explain how spacetime curves but does not move because you
> > have no idea what occurs physically in nature.
>
> Well, you can say it's because of that, but your mistaken about that
> "because" as much as you are about the others.
> I DO NOT (not "can not") explain to you how spacetime curves but does
> not move, because you are an insufferable jerk with severe emotional
> problems.
>

You do not, because you can not, explain how spactime curves but does
not move because the statement 'spacetime curves' has nothing to do
with the physics of nature.

Dark matter is displaced by matter.

> Now, I'd be happy to have you assert that my motivations are not at
> all what I think my motivations are, and that you have the unique, God-
> blessed insight to see my motivations better than I do. This will
> firmly establish your mental slide, and you will have the opportunity
> to prepare for the day your company lets you go as a liability.
>
>
>
> > What you are trying to say, but failing miserably, is dark matter is
> > displaced by matter.
>
> > > > The same is true vice-
> > > > versa.
>
> > > > The dark matter is not at rest when displaced and displaces back. The
> > > > displacing back is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter
> > > > towards the Earth and the sun.
>
> > > > The pressure exerted by displaced dark matter is gravity.
>
> > > > > This is all very basic stuff. You should be very familiar with it..
>
> > > > > > 2
> > > > > > if we have jsut one mass in space
> > > > > > what is its interaction with space ??
>
> > > > > > 3
> > > > > > if we have only two masses in space
> > > > > > but the distance between the two mass
> > > > > > --is a very very big big distance
> > > > > > (between those two masses)
> > > > > > what is the **interaction**
> > > > > > (inter **....). action)
> > > > > > between
> > > > > > those two mass --->-
> > > > > > ------>****AND SPACE ** ??!!
>
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > Y.Porat
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