From: GogoJF on
On Jul 11, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Dear mpc755:  Gravity is:  "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing
> > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back
> > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between
> > > > > the attracted bodies."  — NoEinstein —
>
> > > > Space does not flow into the Earth.
>
> > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to
> > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space
> > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Space does not flow into the Earth.
>
> > Matter displaces dark matter.
> > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
> > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter.
> > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow.
>
> > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047
>
> > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity
> > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter
> > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam
> > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that
> > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the
> > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence
> > space effectively ‘flows’ towards matter. However this is not a ‘flow’
> > of some form of ‘matter’ through space, as previously considered in
> > the aether models or in the ‘random’ particulate Le Sage kinetic
> > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the
> > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a
> > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the ‘flow’ in
> > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not
> > relative to some a priori background geometrical space"
>
> > What is described as "space effectively ‘flows’ towards matter" is the
> > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter.
>
> > "Then the ‘flow’ in one region is relative only to the patterns in
> > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter
> > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark
> > matter in nearby regions towards the matter.
>
> > Evidence of dark matter displacement:
>
> > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
> > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur....
>
> > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the
> > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes
> > back out."
>
> > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > water."
>
> > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond.
>
> > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between
> > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The
> > ripple occurs because the boats displace water.
>
> > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow
> may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

There is nothing that flows. Instead we are simply a part to the
whole and operate at speeds and delays which have nothing to do with
c. This c speed has been mixed up with "seeing" speed- but they are
certainly not the same thing.
From: mpc755 on
On Jul 12, 12:31 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Dear mpc755:  Gravity is:  "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing
> > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back
> > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between
> > > > > the attracted bodies."  — NoEinstein —
>
> > > > Space does not flow into the Earth.
>
> > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to
> > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space
> > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Space does not flow into the Earth.
>
> > Matter displaces dark matter.
> > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
> > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter.
> > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow.
>
> > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047
>
> > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity
> > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter
> > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam
> > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that
> > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the
> > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence
> > space effectively ‘flows’ towards matter. However this is not a ‘flow’
> > of some form of ‘matter’ through space, as previously considered in
> > the aether models or in the ‘random’ particulate Le Sage kinetic
> > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the
> > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a
> > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the ‘flow’ in
> > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not
> > relative to some a priori background geometrical space"
>
> > What is described as "space effectively ‘flows’ towards matter" is the
> > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter.
>
> > "Then the ‘flow’ in one region is relative only to the patterns in
> > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter
> > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark
> > matter in nearby regions towards the matter.
>
> > Evidence of dark matter displacement:
>
> > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
> > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur....
>
> > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the
> > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes
> > back out."
>
> > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > water."
>
> > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond.
>
> > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between
> > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The
> > ripple occurs because the boats displace water.
>
> > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow
> may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

The 'flow' does go nowhere because gravity has nothing to do with a
'flow' of space.

What you are mistaking for a 'flow of energy' is the pressure exerted
by the displaced dark matter towards the matter.

The Earth displaces dark matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards Earth is gravity.

Evidence of dark matter displacement:

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...

"The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the
dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes
back out."

"Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond.

The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between
two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The
ripple occurs because the boats displace water.

The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.
From: mpc755 on
On Jul 12, 12:31 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Dear mpc755:  Gravity is:  "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing
> > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back
> > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between
> > > > > the attracted bodies."  — NoEinstein —
>
> > > > Space does not flow into the Earth.
>
> > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to
> > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space
> > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR.
>
> > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > Space does not flow into the Earth.
>
> > Matter displaces dark matter.
> > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
> > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter.
> > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow.
>
> > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047
>
> > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity
> > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter
> > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam
> > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that
> > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the
> > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence
> > space effectively ‘flows’ towards matter. However this is not a ‘flow’
> > of some form of ‘matter’ through space, as previously considered in
> > the aether models or in the ‘random’ particulate Le Sage kinetic
> > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the
> > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a
> > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the ‘flow’ in
> > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not
> > relative to some a priori background geometrical space"
>
> > What is described as "space effectively ‘flows’ towards matter" is the
> > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter.
>
> > "Then the ‘flow’ in one region is relative only to the patterns in
> > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter
> > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark
> > matter in nearby regions towards the matter.
>
> > Evidence of dark matter displacement:
>
> > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
> > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur....
>
> > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the
> > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes
> > back out."
>
> > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > water."
>
> > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond.
>
> > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between
> > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The
> > ripple occurs because the boats displace water.
>
> > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow
> may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time.
>
> Mitch Raemsch

The 'flow' does go nowhere because gravity has nothing to do with a
'flow' of space.

What you are mistaking for a 'flow of energy' is the pressure exerted
by the displaced dark matter towards the matter.

The Earth displaces dark matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards Earth is gravity.

Evidence of dark matter displacement:

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the
dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes
back out."

"Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond.

The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between
two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The
ripple occurs because the boats displace water.

The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.
From: eric gisse on
GogoJF wrote:

> On Jul 11, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

Finally, they are fighting amongst themselves.
From: mpc755 on
On Jul 12, 12:44 am, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 11, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Dear mpc755:  Gravity is:  "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing
> > > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back
> > > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between
> > > > > > the attracted bodies."  — NoEinstein —
>
> > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth.
>
> > > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to
> > > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space
> > > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR.
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > Space does not flow into the Earth.
>
> > > Matter displaces dark matter.
> > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
> > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter.
> > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity.
>
> > > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow.
>
> > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047
>
> > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity
> > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter
> > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam
> > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that
> > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the
> > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence
> > > space effectively ‘flows’ towards matter. However this is not a ‘flow’
> > > of some form of ‘matter’ through space, as previously considered in
> > > the aether models or in the ‘random’ particulate Le Sage kinetic
> > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the
> > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a
> > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the ‘flow’ in
> > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not
> > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space"
>
> > > What is described as "space effectively ‘flows’ towards matter" is the
> > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter.
>
> > > "Then the ‘flow’ in one region is relative only to the patterns in
> > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter
> > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark
> > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter.
>
> > > Evidence of dark matter displacement:
>
> > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
> > > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur...
>
> > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the
> > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes
> > > back out."
>
> > > "Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
> > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
> > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
> > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
> > > water."
>
> > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond.
>
> > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between
> > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The
> > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water.
>
> > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow
> > may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch
>
> There is nothing that flows.  

Correct. A physical 'flow' is not responsible for gravity.

What is mistaken for a 'flow' is the pressure exerted by the displaced
dark matter towards the matter.

The Earth displaces dark matter.
Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'.
The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter.
Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards Earth is gravity.

Evidence of dark matter displacement:

'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html

"The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the
dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes
back out."

"Astronomers using NASA’s Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view
of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two
galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is
somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the
water."

A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond.

The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between
two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The
ripple occurs because the boats displace water.

The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.

> Instead we are simply a part to the
> whole and operate at speeds and delays which have nothing to do with
> c.  This c speed has been mixed up with "seeing" speed- but they are
> certainly not the same thing.

'c' is the speed at which the state of dark matter changes.