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From: Benj on 10 Aug 2010 22:23
On Aug 10, 7:55 pm, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_z> wrote:

> Dr. Richard Alley can wave his hands more that I can, is that more
> persuasive?

I'll bet he's a lot more "sold out" than you are too, which means
he'll be making a LOT more money from "climate change" (his "personal
crusade") than you will. He studies ice cores, you know. That data
that was so readily attacked and called into question. One only needs
to examine the monetary value of Algore pre and post AGW promotion to
see how it all works.

From: Benj on 10 Aug 2010 22:25
On Aug 10, 9:38 pm, "James" <kingko...(a)iglou.com> wrote:

> How many tipping points have come and gone?

Quite a few! Which means, of course, that it is totally futile to
institute any "cap and trade" scheme now! So why are the alarmists
still pushing so hard for it? Oh that's right. It's because the
"tipping points" are fake but the money is real!

From: Catoni on 10 Aug 2010 22:42
On Aug 10, 7:47 pm, gordo <grmerr...(a)removeshaw.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:39:44 -0500, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Greenland ice sheet faces 'tipping point in 10
> >years'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/aug/10/greenland-ice-sheet...
>
> >"Sometime in the next decade we may pass that tipping point which would
> >put us warmer than temperatures that Greenland can survive," Alley told
> >a briefing in Congress, adding that a rise in the range of 2C to 7C
> >would mean the obliteration of Greenland's ice sheet.
>
> Tundy changes the subject but I would ask where is the science and who
> is Richard Alley?It seems he is a scientist and there is a short video
> which tundy or catony could watch.They won't of course but I wonder
> what credentials they have to match Dr. Richard Alley?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4GThA35s1s
>
> >The fall-out would be felt thousands of miles away from the Arctic,
> >unleashing a global sea level rise of 23ft (7 metres), Alley warned.
> >Low-lying cities such as New Orleans would vanish.
>
> >"What is going on in the Arctic now is the biggest and fastest thing
> >that nature has ever done," he said.
>
> For a good look at the good Dr. check this outhttp://passporttoknowledge.com/polar-palooza/pps02.php

Hey gordo.... one day your side says that if skeptics or "Deniers" use
Youtube.... then we must be idiots....

Then the next day.... one of you guys goes and uses Youtube......
well.... which is it.... what's the rule ? ? ?

I'm sure that you've heard of the Alarmist comrade of yours....
"erschroedinger"

erschoredinger: Youtube is not science.

"Sorry, I don't consider youtube science, but now I know what you
mean
when you say you study science -- you watch youtube." -
erschroedinger

"Youtube is not science. Sorry to have to break that to you."
- erschroedinger

Glacier loss recently May 21, 4:01 p.m.

hey... sorry gordo.... I didn't make the rule.... you'll
have to speak to comrade erschroedinger...

(typical AGW Alarmist double standards)
From: Catoni on 10 Aug 2010 22:52
On Aug 10, 10:42 pm, Catoni <caton...(a)sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 7:47 pm, gordo <grmerr...(a)removeshaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:39:44 -0500, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Greenland ice sheet faces 'tipping point in 10
> > >years'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/aug/10/greenland-ice-sheet...
>
> > >"Sometime in the next decade we may pass that tipping point which would
> > >put us warmer than temperatures that Greenland can survive," Alley told
> > >a briefing in Congress, adding that a rise in the range of 2C to 7C
> > >would mean the obliteration of Greenland's ice sheet.
>
> > Tundy changes the subject but I would ask where is the science and who
> > is Richard Alley?It seems he is a scientist and there is a short video
> > which tundy or catony could watch.They won't of course but I wonder
> > what credentials they have to match Dr. Richard Alley?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4GThA35s1s
>
> > >The fall-out would be felt thousands of miles away from the Arctic,
> > >unleashing a global sea level rise of 23ft (7 metres), Alley warned.
> > >Low-lying cities such as New Orleans would vanish.
>
> > >"What is going on in the Arctic now is the biggest and fastest thing
> > >that nature has ever done," he said.
>
> > For a good look at the good Dr. check this outhttp://passporttoknowledge.com/polar-palooza/pps02.php
>
> Hey gordo.... one day your side says that if skeptics or "Deniers" use
> Youtube.... then we must be idiots....
>
>   Then the next day.... one of you guys goes and uses Youtube......
> well.... which is it.... what's the rule ? ? ?
>
>        I'm sure that you've heard of the Alarmist comrade of yours....
> "erschroedinger"
>
>       erschoredinger: Youtube is not science.
>
>    "Sorry, I don't consider youtube science, but now I know what you
> mean
> when you say you study science -- you watch youtube."   -
> erschroedinger
>
>       "Youtube is not science.  Sorry to have to break that to you."
> - erschroedinger
>
>     Glacier loss recently      May 21, 4:01 p.m.
>
>           hey... sorry gordo.... I didn't make the rule....   you'll
> have to speak to comrade erschroedinger...
>
>    (typical AGW Alarmist double standards)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It really reminds me of another great example of Alarmist double
standards...

When skeptics.. ( or denialists) post something and don't include
references or cites.... we get asked to include cites.... our posts
are "worthless" without cites....

But look what happens when I do the same and ask an Alarmist for a
cite.... We all know comrade "Dawlish" and his "stupid seats" don't
we ? ?

July 29, 1:10 a.m. Catoni


Dawlish posted:
>"...go fish for the
>facts yourself, from the stupid seats, instead of asking others to
>"cite"...............so go fish."


This was my reply to Dawlish:

Then you won't mind me quoting you next time some
Alarmist asks me to cite my sources...
I'll just tell them to "...go fish.", and refer them to what you
said about fishing for the facts themselves.
At times I haven't included cites.... Alarmists are quick to call
my information worthless without cites.
Doesn't it work both ways? ? Shouldn't it also apply to
Alarmists? ?
Thank you .


AGW Alarmists........ what a buch of double standard
idiots... and guys like "Dawlish" tell US to go sit in the "stupid
seats"......

It's so funny.....
From: Igor on 12 Aug 2010 10:10
On Aug 10, 3:41 pm, tunderbar <tdcom...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 10, 2:39 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Greenland ice sheet faces 'tipping point in 10
> > years'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/aug/10/greenland-ice-sheet...
>
> > "Sometime in the next decade we may pass that tipping point which would
> > put us warmer than temperatures that Greenland can survive," Alley told
> > a briefing in Congress, adding that a rise in the range of 2C to 7C
> > would mean the obliteration of Greenland's ice sheet.
>
> > The fall-out would be felt thousands of miles away from the Arctic,
> > unleashing a global sea level rise of 23ft (7 metres), Alley warned.
> > Low-lying cities such as New Orleans would vanish.
>
> > "What is going on in the Arctic now is the biggest and fastest thing
> > that nature has ever done," he said.
>
> http://www.ihatethemedia.com/earth-day-predictions-of-1970-the-reason...
>
> Here are some of the hilarious, spectacularly wrong predictions made
> on the occasion of Earth Day 1970.
>
> “We have about five more years at the outside to do something.”
> • Kenneth Watt, ecologist
>
> “Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action
> is taken against problems facing mankind.”
> • George Wald, Harvard Biologist
>
> “We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of
> this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human
> habitation.”
> • Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist
>
> “Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to
> enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration
> and possible extinction.”
> • New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day
>
> “Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small
> increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until
> at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death
> during the next ten years.”
> • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
>
> “By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated
> the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of
> unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the
> ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of
> the 1980s.”
> • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
>
> “It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
> • Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day
>
> “Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim
> timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will
> spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near
> East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and
> Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000,
> thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western
> Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
> • Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University
>
> “Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to
> support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will
> have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution
> will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one
> half….”
> • Life Magazine, January 1970
>
> “At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time
> before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our
> land will be usable.”
> • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
>
> Stanford's Paul Ehrlich announces that the sky is falling.
> “Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of
> lives in the next few years alone.”
> • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist
>
> “We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up
> the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new
> ones.”
> • Martin Litton, Sierra Club director
>
> “By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up
> crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil.
> You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll
> say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
> • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
>
> “Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute,
> believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all
> the species of living animals will be extinct.”
> • Sen. Gaylord Nelson
>
> “The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If
> present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder
> for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in
> the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into
> an ice age.”
> • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist
>
> Keep these predictions in mind when you hear the same predictions made
> today. They’ve been making the same predictions for 39 years. And
> they’re going to continue making them until…well…forever.
>
> Here we are, 39 years later and the economy sucks, but the ecology’s
> fine. In fact this planet is doing a lot better than the planet on
> which those green lunatics live.

That's only because we took action to prevent disaster, meathead. And
the economy has absolutely nothing to do with your silly little
argument.

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