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From: VK on 7 Nov 2009 14:04
On Nov 5, 8:52 pm, Charlie-Boo <shymath...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I am thinking of two things.  Can you guess what either is?
>
> You can ask as many questions as you want and I will (truthfully)
> answer all that I can.
>
> They don’t even have to be yes/no (finite multiple choice) questions.
>
> You just can’t ask, “What are you thinking about?”!

1) "I am thinking" refers to you as a human being or as an abstract
"thinking matter choice" automate?

2) two things out of how many?
From: John Jones on 7 Nov 2009 19:40
Charlie-Boo wrote:
> On Nov 5, 4:51 pm, John Jones <jonescard...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>> Charlie-Boo wrote:
>>> I am thinking of two things. Can you guess what either is?
>> According to Wittgenstein (Tractatus), statements of the sort "there are
>> two objects" or "7 is a number" are nonsensical.
>
> They seem ok in Mathematics.
>
>>> You can ask as many questions as you want and I will (truthfully)
>>> answer all that I can.
>>> They don�t even have to be yes/no (finite multiple choice) questions.
>>> You just can�t ask, �What are you thinking about?�!
>>> C-B
>> Objects are given through their presentation, or through a presentation
>> of their symbol.
>>
>> That is, you are asking us to consider the possibility of a hidden
>> presentation. I don't think that's on at all.
>
> You could have asked, "What are you thinking of?"

Yes. But there is no framework for the objects that you want to present.
So there is no possibility of even asking "what are you 'thinking' of".


> if I hadn't added
> the extra condition prohibiting it, so there are solutions. Just
> asking if there are other solutions than the one that I ruled out.
>
> C-B

Say it again please if you would.
From: John Jones on 7 Nov 2009 19:44
John Jones wrote:
> Charlie-Boo wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 4:51 pm, John Jones <jonescard...(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> Charlie-Boo wrote:
>>>> I am thinking of two things. Can you guess what either is?
>>> According to Wittgenstein (Tractatus), statements of the sort "there are
>>> two objects" or "7 is a number" are nonsensical.
>>
>> They seem ok in Mathematics.
>>
>>>> You can ask as many questions as you want and I will (truthfully)
>>>> answer all that I can.
>>>> They don�t even have to be yes/no (finite multiple choice) questions.
>>>> You just can�t ask, �What are you thinking about?�!
>>>> C-B
>>> Objects are given through their presentation, or through a presentation
>>> of their symbol.
>>>
>>> That is, you are asking us to consider the possibility of a hidden
>>> presentation. I don't think that's on at all.
>>
>> You could have asked, "What are you thinking of?"
>
> Yes. But there is no framework for the objects that you want to present.
> So there is no possibility of even asking "what are you 'thinking' of".
>
>
>> if I hadn't added
>> the extra condition prohibiting it, so there are solutions. Just
>> asking if there are other solutions than the one that I ruled out.
>>
>> C-B
>
> Say it again please if you would.


My error. I meant to say
"But there is no framework for the objects that you want to present.
So there is no possibility of even asking "what 'thing' are you thinking
of.",
rather than say, as I did,
"But there is no framework for the objects that you want to present.
So there is no possibility of even asking "what are you 'thinking' of."
From: John Jones on 7 Nov 2009 19:44
Peter Webb wrote:
>
> "Charlie-Boo" <shymathguy(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6fc85553-d21b-4bb7-8cbe-7c869f54f9fe(a)z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
> I am thinking of two things. Can you guess what either is?
>
> You can ask as many questions as you want and I will (truthfully)
> answer all that I can.
>
> They don�t even have to be yes/no (finite multiple choice) questions.
>
> ______________________________
> I'll play. Does the first one start with the letter "A" ?
>
> You just can�t ask, �What are you thinking about?�!
>
> C-B


See my post. It reflects your insight and puts it more exactly.
From: John Jones on 7 Nov 2009 19:45
VK wrote:
> On Nov 5, 8:52 pm, Charlie-Boo <shymath...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am thinking of two things. Can you guess what either is?
>>
>> You can ask as many questions as you want and I will (truthfully)
>> answer all that I can.
>>
>> They don�t even have to be yes/no (finite multiple choice) questions.
>>
>> You just can�t ask, �What are you thinking about?�!
>
> 1) "I am thinking" refers to you as a human being or as an abstract
> "thinking matter choice" automate?
>
> 2) two things out of how many?

See my response for clarification of the issues.
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