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From: John Hasler on 7 Oct 2009 08:19 Regards writes: > I asked if can make incorporate a Gui, aka window manager, webmin!? > in Ubuntu iso. A Gui, a window manager, and the Webmin remote administration package are three different things. Is it that you have installed Unbuntu Server from a CD and now want to add something? Are you running Ubuntu Server from a live CD and want to add something? Or are you attempting to create a custom Live CD from Ubuntu Server? What are you trying to accomplish? -- John Hasler jhasler(a)newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA
From: Jon Solberg on 7 Oct 2009 08:32 On 2009-10-07, John Hasler <jhasler(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > Regards writes: >> I asked if can make incorporate a Gui, aka window manager, webmin!? >> in Ubuntu iso. > > A Gui, a window manager, and the Webmin remote administration package > are three different things. > > Is it that you have installed Unbuntu Server from a CD and now want to > add something? Are you running Ubuntu Server from a live CD and want to > add something? Or are you attempting to create a custom Live CD from > Ubuntu Server? > > What are you trying to accomplish? Getting us to play 'twenty questions'? -- Jon Solberg (remove "nospam" from email address).
From: John Hasler on 7 Oct 2009 10:24 Jon writes: > Getting us to play 'twenty questions'? He's just a non-native writer of English who is trying to minimize the amount of English he has to write (he's doing better than I would in Italian). Unfortunately his efforts are having the opposite effect. He needs to bite the bullet and compose a complete explanation of what he is actually trying to accomplish. -- John Hasler jhasler(a)newsguy.com Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI USA
From: Jon Solberg on 7 Oct 2009 10:36 On 2009-10-07, John Hasler <jhasler(a)newsguy.com> wrote: > Jon writes: >> Getting us to play 'twenty questions'? > > He's just a non-native writer of English who is trying to minimize > the amount of English he has to write (he's doing better than I > would in Italian). So am I (Swedish with Norwegian heritage), which makes it even more important for me to spell and grammar check my posts (yes, I still do loads of mistakes). I would probably understand more if he'd written in Italian. -- Jon Solberg (remove "nospam" from email address).
From: Doug Freyburger on 7 Oct 2009 11:16
John Hasler wrote: > Jon writes: > >> Getting us to play 'twenty questions'? > > He's just a non-native writer of English who is trying to minimize the > amount of English he has to write (he's doing better than I would in > Italian). Unfortunately his efforts are having the opposite effect. He > needs to bite the bullet and compose a complete explanation of what he > is actually trying to accomplish. The difference between a technician and an engineer - A technician wants to answer a client's questions. An engineer wants to solve a client's problems. Sometimes the two are the same and sometimes they are not. When someone asks a question that does not make sense, they are often making guesses on what to do next and they are making the wrong guesses. It's important to find out what they are really trying to accomplish to get them on the right path. Here's an example of what happened to me recently that shows the same pattern with different details - One of my DBA colleagues came by asking for help with the "split" command. Then another one asked about finer details than a line count. Then the first one came back for further details. The problem is Oracle deals with binary files and they were asking me for details of a text utility trying to make it do binary work. It became clear to me that they had a problem they were trying to solve and they were going down the wrong path and making no progress. I walked over to where the crowd was forming trying to solve the problem and I asked for status. It turned out they had a corrupt Oracle *.dbf data file that was the wrong size. Probably so data had been appended to it using a ">>" or a program did the equivalent. There was no guarantee that was all that was wrong, but at least that much was wrong. I asked if they knew what size the file was supposed to be. They knew. I asked them to run a man page for "dd" and started taking notes to build a command line. I asked them to run a calculator to see if the desired size was an even multiple of 512 bytes. It was. So I gave them my notes on the dd command line with the if= clause of the broken file, the of= clause of the desired output file, the bs= clause of the 512 byte even multiple, and the count=clause to give the desired size of the output. With that generated file they were able to start Oracle and run an audit on the data to determine what else was wrong. No amount of effort working on "split" would ever have helped them at all. Question not answered, problem solved in spite of not answering their initial question. Moral of the story - When someone asks a question that seems wrong, simply answering their question probably will not help them solve their problem. It is time to ask them what they are trying to accomplish so a different and better approach can be taken. |