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From: zoara on 17 Jun 2010 05:21 Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >> Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: >>> zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>> >>>> So, in response to criticisms of the "closed" nature of the app >>>> store, >>>> His Steveness spent a few minutes during the WWDC keynote talking >>>> about >>>> their support of "open" HTML5 apps. But he gave no examples. >>>> >>>> Can anyone point me towards and collections of these apps, or > > > > suggest >>>> any they really like? I don't mean "just a website that fulfils a >>>> useful >>>> function", I mean sites that can be saved to the homescreen and > > > > then >>>> act >>>> just like native iPhone apps, working without network connectivity >>>> and >>>> not having Safari's controls bordering the screen. >>>> >>>> I've found http://mrgan.com/pieguy and http://everytimezone.com > > > > (and >>>> I >>>> suppose iPlayer sorta fits the bill) but are there any others? >>>> >>>> Do any HTML5 apps take advantage of multitouch or the > > > > accelerometer? >>>> >>> >>> >>> Read an article somewhere after that demo that the HTML5 apps were >>> seriously limited in what they could access and were written for the >>> demo and certainly not "Open" in any accepted ense. >> >> Demo? What demo? >> > > Wish I could remember - something Jobs was showing recently? To > showoff > how Flash was unnecessary. The apps? Didn't see it but there was > comment that it was certainly unfair as it was confined to Safari and > didn't work on anything else, I think - so perhaps not apps Ah, yes. I was specifically ruling out that demo site (and similar real-world applications) when I said 'I don't mean "just a website that fulfils a useful function", I mean sites that can be saved to the homescreen and then act just like native iPhone apps [...]". To put it more explicitly, I'm looking for iPhone apps, designed to function like app store iPhone apps, but that are available on the web (and written in HTML5) rather than being available on the App Store (and written in Obj-C). Not just web pages that look nice on an iPhone; actual apps. Like the examples I gave; if I saved those to the homescreen and handed you my phone, it's unlikely you'd notice that these weren't "real" apps - they launch and quit like real apps, they look like real apps when launched, they behave like real apps rather than websites, they don't need network connectivity to function. No clues that these aren't native apps. Jobs made a point of saying they support these "open" applications but gave no examples. I'm wondering whether there *are* any examples, or whether these two are all that actually exist. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Ben Shimmin on 17 Jun 2010 08:11 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net>: > Ben Shimmin <bas(a)llamaselector.com> wrote: [...] >> This one -- <URL:http://www.apple.com/html5/> You know, the one where >> the demos which `aren't add-ons to the web, they are the web', and we >> `can start using today', only work in Safari. > > They work in other browsers too; but Apple sniffs for Safari on that > particular page (they link to a "developer" page where you can run them > in Chrome or Firefox, though). Talk about shooting yourself in the foot! Some of them work in other browsers. I think (I haven't looked too closely) that some of them rely on -webkit CSS extensions which certainly won't work in Firefox and may well not work in Chrome. In fact, this page seems to offer a good summary of Apple's `HTML5' demos: <URL:http://blog.marcoos.com/2010/06/09/is-html5-by-apple-really-html5/> > Nevertheless, this wasn't what I was talking about; see my other post in > this thread. Ah, I see you're looking for iPhone apps. Sorry, I don't really know. One thing I do know is that this tendency to refer to all this fancy stuff, which is intended to obviate the need for Flash, as `HTML5' is wrong. It's really `HTML5 + CSS3 + JavaScript'. Perhaps this is attributable to the HTML5 draft spec being so unbelievably long and convoluted that people must assume it actually includes the CSS3 spec and perhaps a new version of ECMAScript too (I'm being slightly facetious here). b. -- <bas(a)bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Zombies are defined by behavior and can be "explained" by many handy shortcuts: the supernatural, radiation, a virus, space visitors, secret weapons, a Harvard education and so on.' -- Roger Ebert
From: zoara on 17 Jun 2010 09:04 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > Jobs made a point of saying they support these "open" applications but > gave no examples. I'm wondering whether there *are* any examples, or > whether these two are all that actually exist. Aha. http://www.apple.com/webapps The couple I have tried have been "iPhone web apps", ie they look and behave differently when visited in Safari or launched from a home screen shortcut. They also all seem to be pretty pants. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Duncan Kennedy on 17 Jun 2010 14:30
D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote: > Duncan Kennedy <nospam(a)nospamottersonbg.couk> wrote: > > > That's it, thanks. Wasn't hat site but a report on it that I saw. > > I think the men's/women's fashion thread is that way --->. > :-) There was a thread somewhere else about the aluminium Mac keyboards - I like mine but don't always hit every key - with occasionally sensible results! On the other hand you might not wantvto hear my wife's views on my fashion sense. -- duncank |