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From: groupware on 3 Feb 2007 05:03 Hi, My laptop has died and I have taken out the hard drive and connected it to a USB connector. Windows recognised the hard drive and it apears in Device Manager but does not map a drive or apper in the Disk Management wndow. I then remembered I had set a password for the drive. Question 1 - Is there any way to enter a HDD passowrd via a USB/IDE connection I then put my Hard Drive into another laptop (a HP Compaq NC4010) and as good as gold the Bios requested the HDDDrive Bay Password. I entered the password but no go ? Question 2 - The computer that the Hard Drive comes from uses a US layout keyboard and the one i am trying to use it in now is a UK layout. I use a ~ (tilde) in my password which is in a different spot on these keyboards (although I have tried the various corresponding key locations) but it continually rejcts my password. Could this cause a problem ? Or is there something else ? Jason
From: John Doue on 3 Feb 2007 08:42 groupware(a)rocketmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > My laptop has died and I have taken out the hard drive and connected > it to a USB connector. > > Windows recognised the hard drive and it apears in Device Manager but > does not map a drive or apper in the Disk Management wndow. > > I then remembered I had set a password for the drive. > > Question 1 - Is there any way to enter a HDD passowrd via a USB/IDE > connection > > I then put my Hard Drive into another laptop (a HP Compaq NC4010) and > as good as gold the Bios requested the HDDDrive Bay Password. > > I entered the password but no go ? > > Question 2 - The computer that the Hard Drive comes from uses a US > layout keyboard and the one i am trying to use it in now is a UK > layout. I use a ~ (tilde) in my password which is in a different spot > on these keyboards (although I have tried the various corresponding > key locations) but it continually rejcts my password. > > Could this cause a problem ? > > Or is there something else ? > > Jason > Looks like the second question answers the first one. I do not know the British keyboard, but for some characters, I believe you must press Alt-Gr (bottom-right of the keyboard). If the tilde is located at the bottom right of a key, then, this is what you need to do. Try typing your password in Word or Wordpad to make sure it gets the way you need and then try for the hard drive. Regards -- John Doue
From: Vanguard on 3 Feb 2007 09:07 <groupware(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:1170496986.767710.158150(a)a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Hi, > > My laptop has died and I have taken out the hard drive and connected > it to a USB connector. > > Windows recognised the hard drive and it apears in Device Manager but > does not map a drive or apper in the Disk Management wndow. > > I then remembered I had set a password for the drive. > > Question 1 - Is there any way to enter a HDD passowrd via a USB/IDE > connection > > I then put my Hard Drive into another laptop (a HP Compaq NC4010) and > as good as gold the Bios requested the HDDDrive Bay Password. > > I entered the password but no go ? > > Question 2 - The computer that the Hard Drive comes from uses a US > layout keyboard and the one i am trying to use it in now is a UK > layout. I use a ~ (tilde) in my password which is in a different spot > on these keyboards (although I have tried the various corresponding > key locations) but it continually rejcts my password. You mention the 2nd but failed laptop where you tried using the password but never bothered to mention the ORIGINAL laptop that was used to hash your hard drive's contents. The other half of the hash (to decode) was back in the original laptop. Preventing someone from getting at it, especially by stealing the drive, is just what that security is for; i.e., unless the drive is in the original laptop that hashed up the drive's contents AND you know the password, you will never get at the decoded contents of the drive. That's why you need to do backups (which aren't hashed or you specify the password which is a software-based password that you can use regardless of to where you restore the password-protected backup). I you don't have the original laptop to reinsert the hard drive, you'll have to call the maker of the original laptop to see if they provide a backdoor password, but I doubt it (although I have seen some lists floating around of possible backdoor passwords). If you don't have possession of the original laptop and it is usable, start looking for a service bureau to do the recovery. Otherwise, you are stuck with partitioning and formatting the drive to wipe it out, and use the password, if wanted, for the new laptop that does whole-disk encryption. Hardware-based security became available starting back with the ATA-3 specification. http://www.pwcrack.com/bios.shtml http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html http://www.driverforum.com/harddrive3/1642.html (but sounds very hazardous) http://www.eevidencelabs.com/article/ATA_Security_Roadblock_to_Computer_Forensics.pdf http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t307506-how-do-you-remove-an-ata-hard-disk-password.html
From: Barry Watzman on 3 Feb 2007 11:05 I don't think that there is a way to get this to work over a USB connection. I'm surprised that it didn't work on the Compaq. The keyboard could be part of the issue, or the Compaq may just handle this "differently" than your original computer. Or your memory of what the password was might just be faulty. groupware(a)rocketmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > My laptop has died and I have taken out the hard drive and connected > it to a USB connector. > > Windows recognised the hard drive and it apears in Device Manager but > does not map a drive or apper in the Disk Management wndow. > > I then remembered I had set a password for the drive. > > Question 1 - Is there any way to enter a HDD passowrd via a USB/IDE > connection > > I then put my Hard Drive into another laptop (a HP Compaq NC4010) and > as good as gold the Bios requested the HDDDrive Bay Password. > > I entered the password but no go ? > > Question 2 - The computer that the Hard Drive comes from uses a US > layout keyboard and the one i am trying to use it in now is a UK > layout. I use a ~ (tilde) in my password which is in a different spot > on these keyboards (although I have tried the various corresponding > key locations) but it continually rejcts my password. > > Could this cause a problem ? > > Or is there something else ? > > Jason >
From: Barry Watzman on 3 Feb 2007 11:10 Re: "The other half of the hash (to decode) was back in the original laptop. Preventing someone from getting at it, especially by stealing the drive, is just what that security is for; i.e., unless the drive is in the original laptop that hashed up the drive's contents AND you know the password, you will never get at the decoded contents of the drive." I don't think that's correct. This isn't windows, this is an IDE password. The implementation of that is supposed to prevent access, on ANY computer, without the password. But as far as I know, it is NOT supposed to tie the drive to the computer ... the correct password should work on any computer. Otherwise, as has happened here, if the computer motherboard dies, then the drive is lost, and that is beyond secure, it is "data endangering". And I don't think that's how it works. Vanguard wrote: > <groupware(a)rocketmail.com> wrote in message > news:1170496986.767710.158150(a)a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> Hi, >> >> My laptop has died and I have taken out the hard drive and connected >> it to a USB connector. >> >> Windows recognised the hard drive and it apears in Device Manager but >> does not map a drive or apper in the Disk Management wndow. >> >> I then remembered I had set a password for the drive. >> >> Question 1 - Is there any way to enter a HDD passowrd via a USB/IDE >> connection >> >> I then put my Hard Drive into another laptop (a HP Compaq NC4010) and >> as good as gold the Bios requested the HDDDrive Bay Password. >> >> I entered the password but no go ? >> >> Question 2 - The computer that the Hard Drive comes from uses a US >> layout keyboard and the one i am trying to use it in now is a UK >> layout. I use a ~ (tilde) in my password which is in a different spot >> on these keyboards (although I have tried the various corresponding >> key locations) but it continually rejcts my password. > > > You mention the 2nd but failed laptop where you tried using the password > but never bothered to mention the ORIGINAL laptop that was used to hash > your hard drive's contents. The other half of the hash (to decode) was > back in the original laptop. Preventing someone from getting at it, > especially by stealing the drive, is just what that security is for; > i.e., unless the drive is in the original laptop that hashed up the > drive's contents AND you know the password, you will never get at the > decoded contents of the drive. That's why you need to do backups (which > aren't hashed or you specify the password which is a software-based > password that you can use regardless of to where you restore the > password-protected backup). > > I you don't have the original laptop to reinsert the hard drive, you'll > have to call the maker of the original laptop to see if they provide a > backdoor password, but I doubt it (although I have seen some lists > floating around of possible backdoor passwords). If you don't have > possession of the original laptop and it is usable, start looking for a > service bureau to do the recovery. Otherwise, you are stuck with > partitioning and formatting the drive to wipe it out, and use the > password, if wanted, for the new laptop that does whole-disk encryption. > Hardware-based security became available starting back with the ATA-3 > specification. > > http://www.pwcrack.com/bios.shtml > http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html > http://www.driverforum.com/harddrive3/1642.html (but sounds very hazardous) > http://www.eevidencelabs.com/article/ATA_Security_Roadblock_to_Computer_Forensics.pdf > > http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t307506-how-do-you-remove-an-ata-hard-disk-password.html > > >
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