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From: amdx on 15 Jun 2010 12:58

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:57:35 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:
>
>> like I said before, I have always
>>>>enjoyed your input here and hope to continue enjoying your humor and
>>>>gaining from your knowledge.
>>>
>>> So post a circuit so I can "critically" analyze it :-)
>>>
>> Ok Jim,
>> I'll subject myself to critical analyses of a very simple circuit I used
>>in a retrofit
>>about 15 years ago. It is a debounce circuit using parts at hand done in a
>>way
>>I never saw before. It worked great in my situation, but I don't know if
>>it
>>had
>>any wider application.
>> Because I was curious, I did attempt to have this analyzed on this group
>>many years ago. No one took me up, maybe it was so bad they didn't want
>>touch it.
>> Now be nice, (if you can :-) I have no formal electronics education and
>> my
>>only claim to fame is as a tech repairing 11,000 VCRs in 10 years.
>> That started 25 yrs ago and ended was 15 yrs ago. VCRs got so cheap to
>>repair, I had to stop.
>> I posted my debounce circuit at,
>> http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/Qmavam/Debouncejpg.jpg
>> Mike
>
> No problem with that circuit as long as you gave yourself adequate
> margin on holding current that a second rendition will work without
> changing resistor values... I'm seriously restrained by repeated
> manufacturability, so I'm overly cautious.
>
> Cheaper? Use a PNP/NPN, then you could have resistor values determine
> holding current.
>

Well that wasn't much fun !
Re the PNP/NPN, I used the SCR spec that once turned on
it stays on until current falls below a minimum, eliminateing switch bounce.

>>
>>PS. When you get this fixed I have a unique power supply circuit I want
>>you to finish, it will be simple for you. I'll search my computer and see
>>if
>>I can find it, I started that about 12 years ago.
>>
>>
>
> Next :-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson

I have searched 3 HDs and didn't find the power supply, I'll keep looking.
Here is a scope probe mod I needed while measuring up to 700v with a scope
spec for 400V. Note; values may need adjust for your scope and probe.
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/Qmavam/X20Scopeprobeadapterjpg.jpg


From: Jim Thompson on 15 Jun 2010 13:28
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:58:41 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:

>
>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>message news:3iaf169d6vhlk2u4ot1g9da5indnv2ng9f(a)4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:57:35 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:
>>
>>> like I said before, I have always
>>>>>enjoyed your input here and hope to continue enjoying your humor and
>>>>>gaining from your knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> So post a circuit so I can "critically" analyze it :-)
>>>>
>>> Ok Jim,
>>> I'll subject myself to critical analyses of a very simple circuit I used
>>>in a retrofit
>>>about 15 years ago. It is a debounce circuit using parts at hand done in a
>>>way
>>>I never saw before. It worked great in my situation, but I don't know if
>>>it
>>>had
>>>any wider application.
>>> Because I was curious, I did attempt to have this analyzed on this group
>>>many years ago. No one took me up, maybe it was so bad they didn't want
>>>touch it.
>>> Now be nice, (if you can :-) I have no formal electronics education and
>>> my
>>>only claim to fame is as a tech repairing 11,000 VCRs in 10 years.
>>> That started 25 yrs ago and ended was 15 yrs ago. VCRs got so cheap to
>>>repair, I had to stop.
>>> I posted my debounce circuit at,
>>> http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/Qmavam/Debouncejpg.jpg
>>> Mike
>>
>> No problem with that circuit as long as you gave yourself adequate
>> margin on holding current that a second rendition will work without
>> changing resistor values... I'm seriously restrained by repeated
>> manufacturability, so I'm overly cautious.
>>
>> Cheaper? Use a PNP/NPN, then you could have resistor values determine
>> holding current.
>>
>
> Well that wasn't much fun !
>Re the PNP/NPN, I used the SCR spec that once turned on
>it stays on until current falls below a minimum, eliminateing switch bounce.

"Minimum" must be less than "holding current"... look at an SCR data
sheet.

>
>>>
>>>PS. When you get this fixed I have a unique power supply circuit I want
>>>you to finish, it will be simple for you. I'll search my computer and see
>>>if
>>>I can find it, I started that about 12 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Next :-)
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>I have searched 3 HDs and didn't find the power supply, I'll keep looking.
>Here is a scope probe mod I needed while measuring up to 700v with a scope
>spec for 400V. Note; values may need adjust for your scope and probe.
>http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/Qmavam/X20Scopeprobeadapterjpg.jpg
>

Myself, I bought a TEK HV probe/isolator, so I could probe off-line
without risk of electrocution.

I also had the GenRad electricians install "panic" button switches
around my lab, plus a rule: no working alone.

Slam a panic button, and the whole place went off-line, except the
ceiling lighting.

...Jim Thompson
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From: amdx on 15 Jun 2010 13:46

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:58:41 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote
>>in
>>message news:3iaf169d6vhlk2u4ot1g9da5indnv2ng9f(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:57:35 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> like I said before, I have always
>>>>>>enjoyed your input here and hope to continue enjoying your humor and
>>>>>>gaining from your knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> So post a circuit so I can "critically" analyze it :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Ok Jim,
>>>> I'll subject myself to critical analyses of a very simple circuit I
>>>> used
>>>>in a retrofit
>>>>about 15 years ago. It is a debounce circuit using parts at hand done in
>>>>a
>>>>way
>>>>I never saw before. It worked great in my situation, but I don't know if
>>>>it
>>>>had
>>>>any wider application.
>>>> Because I was curious, I did attempt to have this analyzed on this
>>>> group
>>>>many years ago. No one took me up, maybe it was so bad they didn't want
>>>>touch it.
>>>> Now be nice, (if you can :-) I have no formal electronics education and
>>>> my
>>>>only claim to fame is as a tech repairing 11,000 VCRs in 10 years.
>>>> That started 25 yrs ago and ended was 15 yrs ago. VCRs got so cheap to
>>>>repair, I had to stop.
>>>> I posted my debounce circuit at,
>>>> http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/Qmavam/Debouncejpg.jpg
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>> No problem with that circuit as long as you gave yourself adequate
>>> margin on holding current that a second rendition will work without
>>> changing resistor values... I'm seriously restrained by repeated
>>> manufacturability, so I'm overly cautious.
>>>
>>> Cheaper? Use a PNP/NPN, then you could have resistor values determine
>>> holding current.
>>>
>>
>> Well that wasn't much fun !
>>Re the PNP/NPN, I used the SCR spec that once turned on
>>it stays on until current falls below a minimum, eliminateing switch
>>bounce.
>

Ya, I thought That was understood.

> "Minimum" must be less than "holding current"... look at an SCR data
> sheet.
>
>>
>>>>
>
> Myself, I bought a TEK HV probe/isolator, so I could probe off-line
> without risk of electrocution.
>
But mine only cost a few bucks!


From: John Fields on 15 Jun 2010 14:53
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 07:25:44 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:


>I can stop on a dime. John needs to knock off the BS and deal with
>criticism of his circuits. Until then, Larkin remains the "pimp of
>BU", which, for some reason, really gets his goat... maybe he's into
>goats ?:-)

---
I think he rather fancies himself a shepherd.

From: Grant on 15 Jun 2010 17:31
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:28:50 -0700, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:58:41 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
>>message news:3iaf169d6vhlk2u4ot1g9da5indnv2ng9f(a)4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:57:35 -0500, "amdx" <amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> like I said before, I have always
>>>>>>enjoyed your input here and hope to continue enjoying your humor and
>>>>>>gaining from your knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> So post a circuit so I can "critically" analyze it :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Ok Jim,
>>>> I'll subject myself to critical analyses of a very simple circuit I used
>>>>in a retrofit
>>>>about 15 years ago. It is a debounce circuit using parts at hand done in a
>>>>way
>>>>I never saw before. It worked great in my situation, but I don't know if
>>>>it
>>>>had
>>>>any wider application.
>>>> Because I was curious, I did attempt to have this analyzed on this group
>>>>many years ago. No one took me up, maybe it was so bad they didn't want
>>>>touch it.
>>>> Now be nice, (if you can :-) I have no formal electronics education and
>>>> my
>>>>only claim to fame is as a tech repairing 11,000 VCRs in 10 years.
>>>> That started 25 yrs ago and ended was 15 yrs ago. VCRs got so cheap to
>>>>repair, I had to stop.
>>>> I posted my debounce circuit at,
>>>> http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/Qmavam/Debouncejpg.jpg
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>> No problem with that circuit as long as you gave yourself adequate
>>> margin on holding current that a second rendition will work without
>>> changing resistor values... I'm seriously restrained by repeated
>>> manufacturability, so I'm overly cautious.
>>>
>>> Cheaper? Use a PNP/NPN, then you could have resistor values determine
>>> holding current.
>>>
>>
>> Well that wasn't much fun !
>>Re the PNP/NPN, I used the SCR spec that once turned on
>>it stays on until current falls below a minimum, eliminateing switch bounce.
>
>"Minimum" must be less than "holding current"... look at an SCR data
>sheet.
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>PS. When you get this fixed I have a unique power supply circuit I want
>>>>you to finish, it will be simple for you. I'll search my computer and see
>>>>if
>>>>I can find it, I started that about 12 years ago.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Next :-)
>>>
>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>
>>I have searched 3 HDs and didn't find the power supply, I'll keep looking.
>>Here is a scope probe mod I needed while measuring up to 700v with a scope
>>spec for 400V. Note; values may need adjust for your scope and probe.
>>http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp37/Qmavam/X20Scopeprobeadapterjpg.jpg
>>
>
>Myself, I bought a TEK HV probe/isolator, so I could probe off-line
>without risk of electrocution.
>
>I also had the GenRad electricians install "panic" button switches
>around my lab, plus a rule: no working alone.
>
>Slam a panic button, and the whole place went off-line, except the
>ceiling lighting.

Did you ever need to hit one of those panic buttons?

Stuff I'm working on at the moment powered by 24V from a couple sets of
SLA batteries (big ones are 100AH), so I'm more worried about fire than
high voltage these days. Individually fused batteries and quality
connectors to limit fault current.

Grant.
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