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From: Chris H on 11 Apr 2010 11:54 In message <gco3s59lls2nivb9gu5c3ovo5l9d72bldm(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:46:46 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >wrote: > >>The difference is that the incidents among teachers is far lower than >>the Catholic clergy and when caught the teachers get prosecuted. The >>Priests get protected and moved to new places > >The Catholic church cannot arrest anyone. The Catholic church cannot >charge anyone with a crime. The Catholic church cannot try anyone in >a court of law. Equivocation as usual >The Catholic church cannot refuse to allow a priest >to be arrested or tried. But it can and did pressurise victim of abuse to keep quite and more the priest to somewhere else. As happened in your own parish according to you. Anywhere else the person in charge eg a head master etc would have called the police. Not called the Bishop and got the criminal moved to where he could start again As usual you are equivocating. >Any failures to arrest or prosecute are failures of the civil law >enforcement and prosecutorial agencies. If they are informed by the victims and the church. Why did the church not take the victims to the police and insist the Priest submit himself to a trial? > We know that priests have >committed sexual abuse. Yes that is a LOT of evidence. See the recent report in Ireland > Victims have stated that they were abused. Yes. What is more in many cases they can corroborate each others evidence because most Catholic priests were multiple offenders. >Victims have testified that they have been abused in civil court >cases. Very few as the Church hushed up most of them THAT is the real abuse. >Why are there so few arrests or trials? The Catholic church has >shielded offenders, Yes. > but how can this stop the process of arrest and >trial? Organized crime shields their members and withholds >information and records, Yes and the victims are also terrorised in to silence. >but the police manage to penetrate their >shielding. Which is what is happening now the victims have broken their silence. > Any other type of criminal is not protected because they >move to a new place. Do you think a teacher is protected because he >or she moves to a new place? However in the case of a teacher the school would not move them they would call the police themselves. NOT cover it up and threaten the victims with everlasting hell etc. >The church and members of the church's clergy have committed horrific >criminal acts and are guilty of shameful cover-ups. It is equally >shameful, however, that the civil authorities are doing very little to >punish the offenders. They have not that the evidence thanks to the church. >Everyone - including myself - want the offending priests in jail. >But, the only people who can effect this - the civil law enforcement >agencies - are not doing much about it. WOW!!!! You really are in denial! The victims were usually under the impression that if they went against the all powerful church they would reside in hell for ever. (All the Mafia can do is kill you) the Catholic conditioning is far more powerful..... you are an shinning example of this. Even as a "lapsed Catholic" you fight their corner and can not blame them for the multiple serial pedophiles they protected. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Chris H on 11 Apr 2010 12:00 In message <2010041108291529267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes > >Have you guys seen any of Pat Condell's opinion in this regard? >http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u Sounds about right. Question is should we lock up all Catholic clergy on principal? It would be a reasonable position. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Savageduck on 11 Apr 2010 12:34 On 2010-04-11 09:00:52 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said: > In message <2010041108291529267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >> >> Have you guys seen any of Pat Condell's opinion in this regard? >> http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u > > Sounds about right. Question is should we lock up all Catholic clergy > on principal? It would be a reasonable position. Let's start with Ratzinger and work our way down. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: Chris H on 11 Apr 2010 13:01 In message <2010041109345080979-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >On 2010-04-11 09:00:52 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said: > >> In message <2010041108291529267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >>> Have you guys seen any of Pat Condell's opinion in this regard? >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u >> Sounds about right. Question is should we lock up all Catholic >>clergy >> on principal? It would be a reasonable position. > >Let's start with Ratzinger and work our way down. That is possible and more likely judging by recent events -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: J. Clarke on 11 Apr 2010 14:58
On 4/11/2010 12:34 PM, Savageduck wrote: > On 2010-04-11 09:00:52 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said: > >> In message <2010041108291529267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck >> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >>> >>> Have you guys seen any of Pat Condell's opinion in this regard? >>> http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u >> >> Sounds about right. Question is should we lock up all Catholic clergy >> on principal? It would be a reasonable position. > > Let's start with Ratzinger and work our way down. You ready to go to war? Ratzinger has his own country you know. > |