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From: Chris H on 14 Apr 2010 07:30 In message <82ll66FuoqU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Chris Malcolm <cam(a)holyrood.ed.ac.uk> writes >tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:08:01 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >> wrote: > >>>You will do anything to avoid the elephant in the room > >> I have no idea what you mean by this. "The elephant in the room" is a >> reference to a major problem or issue that no one is willing to >> discuss and that everyone avoids commenting on. > >> This subject has been discussed to death in this newsgroup. The >> subject is all over the media. What is the "elephant in the room" >> aspect? > >Some people find some topics of such dreadful import that to mention >anything else after the terrible topic has been raised is so gravely >insulting as to suggest either a serious mental disorder or collusion >with satanic forces. Not quite Tony refuses to face the problem. He equivocates, procrastinates and quibbles over spelling and almost anything he can rather than face the problem. It is all some one else's problem and nothing to do with him. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: tony cooper on 14 Apr 2010 07:32 On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:27:00 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >In message <mpt9s5ltd91kjj62t7o1i5ptejvvb59unr(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper ><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:08:01 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>wrote: >> >>>>Chris is offering opinions on an issue that he has no direct >>>>connection to as far as I know. >>> >>>You are making assumptions to suite your case and ignoring anything that >>>does not help. Much like the Catholic church when dealing with >>>Pedophile Clergy. >> >>When I say "as far as I know" I am clearly saying that I'm not making >>an assumption. >> >>I don't usually discuss what I read in newsgroups with my wife. >>However, the other night she came into the room and was reading one of >>your posts over my shoulder. >> >>When I explained that you were saying that we are bad parents because >>we sent our kids to Catholic schools, that we support pedophilia by >>belonging to a parish, and that she was wrong to continue to attend >>church, she made some comments. >> >>My wife seldom uses profanity. However, she did come up with some >>rather choice words. "Ignorant" was the only printable one. > >Denial.... "Denial" is refusing to recognize and admit that there is a problem. Both my wife and I recognize and admit that there is a very serious problem. She does not think the solution to the problem is to stop attending the church of her choice or that it in any way contributes to any solution. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Chris H on 14 Apr 2010 09:12 In message <fh9bs5hhf7v9p6pjqpel0cvn29q06u6tml(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:27:00 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >wrote: > >>In message <mpt9s5ltd91kjj62t7o1i5ptejvvb59unr(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper >><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>>On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:08:01 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>>Chris is offering opinions on an issue that he has no direct >>>>>connection to as far as I know. >>>> >>>>You are making assumptions to suite your case and ignoring anything that >>>>does not help. Much like the Catholic church when dealing with >>>>Pedophile Clergy. >>> >>>When I say "as far as I know" I am clearly saying that I'm not making >>>an assumption. >>> >>>I don't usually discuss what I read in newsgroups with my wife. >>>However, the other night she came into the room and was reading one of >>>your posts over my shoulder. >>> >>>When I explained that you were saying that we are bad parents because >>>we sent our kids to Catholic schools, that we support pedophilia by >>>belonging to a parish, and that she was wrong to continue to attend >>>church, she made some comments. >>> >>>My wife seldom uses profanity. However, she did come up with some >>>rather choice words. "Ignorant" was the only printable one. >> >>Denial.... > >"Denial" is refusing to recognize and admit that there is a problem. >Both my wife and I recognize and admit that there is a very serious >problem. She does not think the solution to the problem is to stop >attending the church of her choice or that it in any way contributes >to any solution. Fair enough her church has only had one pedophile in the last 30 years (that you know of) and it protected him. So I suppose all is right with the world if you can turn a blind eye. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: GMAN on 14 Apr 2010 10:55 In article <fh9bs5hhf7v9p6pjqpel0cvn29q06u6tml(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:27:00 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >wrote: > >>In message <mpt9s5ltd91kjj62t7o1i5ptejvvb59unr(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper >><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>>On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:08:01 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>>wrote: >>> >>>>>Chris is offering opinions on an issue that he has no direct >>>>>connection to as far as I know. >>>> >>>>You are making assumptions to suite your case and ignoring anything that >>>>does not help. Much like the Catholic church when dealing with >>>>Pedophile Clergy. >>> >>>When I say "as far as I know" I am clearly saying that I'm not making >>>an assumption. >>> >>>I don't usually discuss what I read in newsgroups with my wife. >>>However, the other night she came into the room and was reading one of >>>your posts over my shoulder. >>> >>>When I explained that you were saying that we are bad parents because >>>we sent our kids to Catholic schools, that we support pedophilia by >>>belonging to a parish, and that she was wrong to continue to attend >>>church, she made some comments. >>> >>>My wife seldom uses profanity. However, she did come up with some >>>rather choice words. "Ignorant" was the only printable one. >> >>Denial.... > >"Denial" is refusing to recognize and admit that there is a problem. >Both my wife and I recognize and admit that there is a very serious >problem. She does not think the solution to the problem is to stop >attending the church of her choice or that it in any way contributes >to any solution. Like either you or your wife had any choice in the matter since your parents baptised you as a baby.
From: tony cooper on 14 Apr 2010 18:21
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:12:59 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >In message <fh9bs5hhf7v9p6pjqpel0cvn29q06u6tml(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper ><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:27:00 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>wrote: >> >>>In message <mpt9s5ltd91kjj62t7o1i5ptejvvb59unr(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper >>><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >>>>On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:08:01 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>>>Chris is offering opinions on an issue that he has no direct >>>>>>connection to as far as I know. >>>>> >>>>>You are making assumptions to suite your case and ignoring anything that >>>>>does not help. Much like the Catholic church when dealing with >>>>>Pedophile Clergy. >>>> >>>>When I say "as far as I know" I am clearly saying that I'm not making >>>>an assumption. >>>> >>>>I don't usually discuss what I read in newsgroups with my wife. >>>>However, the other night she came into the room and was reading one of >>>>your posts over my shoulder. >>>> >>>>When I explained that you were saying that we are bad parents because >>>>we sent our kids to Catholic schools, that we support pedophilia by >>>>belonging to a parish, and that she was wrong to continue to attend >>>>church, she made some comments. >>>> >>>>My wife seldom uses profanity. However, she did come up with some >>>>rather choice words. "Ignorant" was the only printable one. >>> >>>Denial.... >> >>"Denial" is refusing to recognize and admit that there is a problem. >>Both my wife and I recognize and admit that there is a very serious >>problem. She does not think the solution to the problem is to stop >>attending the church of her choice or that it in any way contributes >>to any solution. > >Fair enough her church has only had one pedophile in the last 30 years >(that you know of) and it protected him. So I suppose all is right with >the world if you can turn a blind eye. As you say, we really don't know if only one was attached to the parish. We only learned this long after he was gone. It came up because he was exposed in another parish and his history was traced. We - my wife and I - don't know if he committed any abuse while stationed at our parish. The assumption is he did, but no one has come forth and stated so. According to the limited information released, he wasn't a pedophile. He was a sexual abuser of teenaged boys. Pedophilia is abuse of children who have not reached the age of puberty. Personally, I don't make a distinction between the two classifications from a morality standpoint. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |