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From: Chris H on 7 Apr 2010 17:13 In message <8242klF5f2U1(a)mid.individual.net>, mmyvusenet <mmyvusenet(a)invalid.invalid> writes > >That may sound very nice, but that is not according to the Bible: Which Bible? There are several. Also there were several councils of Bishops who horse traded what was in and what was out. The Eastern Orthodox Church lost and quite a few books were missing. I have seen churches that are over 1000 years old. That have freezes and carvings of "Bible stores" that are from Books of the Bible that are no longer in the modern Bible. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Chris H on 7 Apr 2010 17:20 In message <eumpr5lboh5j7ek8sf769n0rndsfckobom(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes > >I'd have to research this further, but aren't all British subjects >automatically members of the Anglican Church? Most certainly NOT. You have NO RELIGION when born and none is automatically applied. It is up to your family. >The official religion >of England is the Church of England (Anglican) Yes as the monarch is head of it. However... Charles has indicated that he would change it to be "Defender of the faiths" adding and S to faith. >. There is no official >religion of the US. Yet it seems to have far more control. What would happen to a president who did not profess being a Christian? The CofE has virtually no say in anything in law, government national or local. > The British Monarch is the Supreme Governor of >the Church of England. The American president has no automatic >position in any denomination. Correct... However the two do not occupy the same position though both are head of state. Our top political positions have no religious connections. Also we have members of most faiths in government. So the Queen whilst head of the Church has no political control. The politicians have no religious connections. Though I think there are still some Bishops in the house of Lords. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: tony cooper on 7 Apr 2010 18:11 On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:20:27 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> wrote: >In message <eumpr5lboh5j7ek8sf769n0rndsfckobom(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper ><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes >> >>I'd have to research this further, but aren't all British subjects >>automatically members of the Anglican Church? > >Most certainly NOT. You have NO RELIGION when born and none is >automatically applied. It is up to your family. The same in the US. > >>The official religion >>of England is the Church of England (Anglican) > >Yes as the monarch is head of it. However... Charles has indicated that >he would change it to be "Defender of the faiths" adding and S to faith. > >>. There is no official >>religion of the US. > >Yet it seems to have far more control. Depends on what "it" is. The churches - the organizations - have no control. The adherents to particular religions have control in that they represent votes. Politicians cater to large voting blocs, and members of any large group - unions, senior citizens, teachers, church members, etc - are catered to. Most estimates say that 60% of Americans profess to be Christian. So, it makes sense if you are running (standing) for office to declare to be a member of that majority. >What would happen to a president who did not profess being a Christian? If he or she was President, nothing. He or she would continue in office. If he or she was a candidate for office, it would severely diminish his or her electability. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: Chris H on 7 Apr 2010 19:43 In message <1pvpr5tvdm6k4b5buh5kq2ig7epibmb7ik(a)4ax.com>, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> writes > >>What would happen to a president who did not profess being a Christian? > >If he or she was President, nothing. He or she would continue in >office. If he or she was a candidate for office, it would severely >diminish his or her electability. Yet in the UK with the head of state also the head of the church it would not make any difference. In fact the faith (or not) of a prime minister has not been of any import for years. -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
From: Jeff R. on 7 Apr 2010 20:06
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message news:sg5qr5ls536rnr4ojb4pvec039ohq42c8o(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:22:28 +1000, "Jeff R." <contact(a)this.ng> wrote: > >>I fear you're fighting a losing battle against common useage here, Tony. > > Well, at least it's not a "loosing battle". > Oooh - you really know how to hurt a guy... -- JR |