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From: Andrew Smyth on 16 Mar 2010 16:32

I previously posted that the double slit experiment does not indicate
that this universe "splits" when a conscious decision is made. What
happens is the experimenter chooses to be in one of an infinite number
of alternative already existing universes. This explanation explains
"spooky action at a distance" and Aspect's quantum erasure experiment
where a future decision seems to affect a past event----both are
explained by the experimenter having picked an alternative universe
with an already existing past which is compatable with the (present)
pick of the experimenter.

So the question arises how can a human choice be a quantum event when
it has been shown that anything that involves more than a few atoms
will not show the above described "quantum wierdness".

The answer is as follows:

The human brain is set up so that a "Yes" or "No" decision arises
because of the measurement or lack of measurement of only one
particle. It is not the macro event of the mouth saying "no" that puts
the person in one of two (or more) possible alternative (pre existing)
universes. It is that quantum "collapse of the wavefunction" (which
has been demonstrated) which occurs when the brain, with the
measurement of one particle, "decides", ie makes a conscious decision.

Where does this happen? Everywhere---at all configurations ("past and
present") where a set up in a brain allows a decision. Without these
conscious decisions there's a static universe. That is there is just
the neverending, already all set out universe, which is not moving one
bit---just like a ten foot strip of 16 mm movie film is not moving.
From: nuny on 16 Mar 2010 17:03
On Mar 16, 1:32 pm, Andrew Smyth <exitusac...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I previously posted that the double slit experiment does not indicate
> that this universe "splits" when a conscious decision is made.  What
> happens is the experimenter chooses to be in one of an infinite number
> of alternative already existing universes.  This explanation explains
> "spooky action at a distance" and Aspect's quantum erasure experiment
> where a future decision seems to affect a past event----both are
> explained by the experimenter having picked an alternative universe
> with an already existing past which is compatable with the (present)
> pick of the experimenter.
>
> So the question arises how can a human choice be a quantum event when
> it has been shown that anything that involves more than a few atoms
> will not show the above described "quantum wierdness".
>
> The answer is as follows:
>
> The human brain is set up so that a "Yes" or "No" decision arises
> because of the measurement or lack of measurement of only one
> particle. It is not the macro event of the mouth saying "no" that puts
> the person in one of two (or more) possible alternative (pre existing)
> universes. It is that quantum "collapse of the wavefunction" (which
> has been demonstrated) which occurs when the brain, with the
> measurement of one particle, "decides", ie makes a conscious decision.
>
> Where does this happen? Everywhere---at all configurations ("past and
> present") where a set up in a brain allows a decision.  Without these
> conscious decisions there's a static universe.   That is there is just
> the neverending, already all set out universe, which is not moving one
> bit---just like a ten foot strip of 16 mm movie film is not moving.

Reductio ad absurdum time again...

Do you mean just *human* brains, or any animal brain? If the former,
exactly what prevents other animal brains from having this capacity?

If the latter, what specific structural feature of brains supports
this functionality? Is it limited to mammal brains? How simple a brain
can do it; IOW can say a mosquito do it?


Mark L. Fergerson
From: Andrew Smyth on 16 Mar 2010 17:52
On Mar 16, 2:03�pm, "n...(a)bid.nes" <alien8...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 16, 1:32�pm, Andrew Smyth <exitusac...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I previously posted that the double slit experiment does not indicate
> > that this universe "splits" when a conscious decision is made. �What
> > happens is the experimenter chooses to be in one of an infinite number
> > of alternative already existing universes. �This explanation explains
> > "spooky action at a distance" and Aspect's quantum erasure experiment
> > where a future decision seems to affect a past event----both are
> > explained by the experimenter having picked an alternative universe
> > with an already existing past which is compatable with the (present)
> > pick of the experimenter.
>
> > So the question arises how can a human choice be a quantum event when
> > it has been shown that anything that involves more than a few atoms
> > will not show the above described "quantum wierdness".
>
> > The answer is as follows:
>
> > The human brain is set up so that a "Yes" or "No" decision arises
> > because of the measurement or lack of measurement of only one
> > particle. It is not the macro event of the mouth saying "no" that puts
> > the person in one of two (or more) possible alternative (pre existing)
> > universes. It is that quantum "collapse of the wavefunction" (which
> > has been demonstrated) which occurs when the brain, with the
> > measurement of one particle, "decides", ie makes a conscious decision.
>
> > Where does this happen? Everywhere---at all configurations ("past and
> > present") where a set up in a brain allows a decision. �Without these
> > conscious decisions there's a static universe. � That is there is just
> > the neverending, already all set out universe, which is not moving one
> > bit---just like a ten foot strip of 16 mm movie film is not moving.
>
> � Reductio ad absurdum time again...
>
> � Do you mean just *human* brains, or any animal brain? If the former,
> exactly what prevents other animal brains from having this capacity?
>
> � If the latter, what specific structural feature of brains supports
> this functionality? Is it limited to mammal brains? How simple a brain
> can do it; IOW can say a mosquito do it?
>
> � Mark L. Fergerson- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Even an amoeba can and does do it. Thanks for giving me the
opportunity to explain further.

Assume there is an always existing multiverse where all possible
particles exist in all possible configurations. It is not that hard
to assume this because quantum physics already says each particle has
a potential existence at all possible positions. I would change
potential to "real" because all of these potential positions actually
have an effect, ie the double slit experiment. So if for one particle
all potential positions are real, then what's so strange about saying
for all particles that all possible positions (ie all possible
universes) actually exist? There we have the preexisting static
multiuniverse.

Now the question arises: How is it that in this static "always
existing" universe there exists conscious beings that seem to be
moving through time towards the future? The answer. The
configuration of this universe is such that in some small regions
(like ours) the particles have to arrange themselves in a heirarchical
order of "probable" towards "less probable." (that's where time comes
from). (You and I exist at present in all these universes at all these
places, which we consider to be past and present time---ie my 10 year
old self still exists thinking ten year old thoughts. So do not ask
how my explanation explains your present existence).

This arrangement also, in some regions, has got so complex as to
impart a pattern or record of other parts of the ordering
(ie "prior events") on these first regions. These first regions
(which contain records of other regions) are then subject to the
illusion that these patterns are past memory. The patterns recorded
in these regions also give the region the impression of what "future
events" will be like. The foresight of "future events" (ie possible
alternate patterns of positions of particles) combined with the
pattern of other events (ie "memory of past events") equals the
illusion of "consciousness". When these regions (ie, regions =
brains) are configured to cause one particle (in the tubules in the
brain) to be measured in one of only two ways these regions are under
the further illusion that "they" have free will and have made a
conscious choice.

Thus I have explained consciousness, time, free will, quantum action
at a distance, and the double slit experiment.

I see that Uncle Al is starting to "get it" in a somewhat dim and
confused way. But in some universe Uncle Al does understand. I know
there are other questions such as how the "tubules" were set up---
didn't they require events at the quantum level to create them before
they were there? I will explain that in another post. I have to go
step by step, first "pre calculus", then, when you understand that,
"calculus" and even more.
From: Sam Wormley on 16 Mar 2010 19:16
On 3/16/10 6:11 PM, Andrew Smyth wrote:
> You have made my point with that last paragraph. You only needed to
> add the conclusion, "Therefore the number of possible universes is
> also infinite." "There are none so
> blind as those who do not see."

Betcha forgot that universe means everything. Furthermore, we
cannot see beyond our observable horizon.

No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html

Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html

WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html

WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html


From: HardySpicer on 16 Mar 2010 23:05
On Mar 17, 9:32 am, Andrew Smyth <exitusac...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I previously posted that the double slit experiment does not indicate
> that this universe "splits" when a conscious decision is made.  What
> happens is the experimenter chooses to be in one of an infinite number
> of alternative already existing universes.  This explanation explains
> "spooky action at a distance" and Aspect's quantum erasure experiment
> where a future decision seems to affect a past event----both are
> explained by the experimenter having picked an alternative universe
> with an already existing past which is compatable with the (present)
> pick of the experimenter.
>
> So the question arises how can a human choice be a quantum event when
> it has been shown that anything that involves more than a few atoms
> will not show the above described "quantum wierdness".
>
> The answer is as follows:
>
> The human brain is set up so that a "Yes" or "No" decision arises
> because of the measurement or lack of measurement of only one
> particle. It is not the macro event of the mouth saying "no" that puts
> the person in one of two (or more) possible alternative (pre existing)
> universes. It is that quantum "collapse of the wavefunction" (which
> has been demonstrated) which occurs when the brain, with the
> measurement of one particle, "decides", ie makes a conscious decision.
>
> Where does this happen? Everywhere---at all configurations ("past and
> present") where a set up in a brain allows a decision.  Without these
> conscious decisions there's a static universe.   That is there is just
> the neverending, already all set out universe, which is not moving one
> bit---just like a ten foot strip of 16 mm movie film is not moving.

What about a multiverse and no observer at all? Also what makes us in
the right universe to create the others?
Surely a copy of me or you in anotehr universe would creat an infinite
more universes?

Hardy
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