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From: Tonyb on 6 Apr 2010 10:43
"Whiskers" <catwheezel(a)operamail.com> wrote in message
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> On 2010-04-04, TonyB <tonyb(a)benhamhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> But sending emails is very hit and miss
>> for some reason. With standard broadband adsl/dial up accounts you use
>> the
>> smtp server for the isp to send email and because you've already made an
>> authenticated connection to the isp you can send email using the isp's
>> smtp
>> server for all your email accounts as they know you are not
>> relaying/spamming. But mobile data providers often do not seem to use
>> this
>> model even though the same arguments apply. I would expect if I had a
>> phone
>> using say orange for data, that I would set my incoming email servers to
>> hotmail/yahoo/work etc and the outgoing smtp server for each account to
>> say
>> smtp.orange.net ?
>
> Some email service providers offer 'authenticated' login to their SMTP
> server, so that you can send emails from any internet connection. Any
> email service that isn't tied to a particular ISP is almost certain to
> offer this option.

I think this is the model yahoo/gmail/hotmail can use ?

> Some email service providers offer 'relaying' over their SMTP server, of
> messages with other domains in the From header; you'll probably have to
> pay for such a service (and set up the 'relaying' details for each address
> concerned). I don't know if Orange's SMTP service allows such 'relaying'
> (but it would be very useful). You may find that you have to use an
> Orange email address if you want to use their SMTP server.

This is an alternative for my work email account so could use this approach
I guess.

>> I've also had a look at various colleagues phones, and some of the email
>> clients do not seem to support a different server address for incoming
>> email
>> and outgoing email so I can't even see how this is supposed to work as it
>> would require each email account to support relaying ?
>> Very confused ?
>
> There has to be an SMTP server for sending, as well as an IMAP or POP
> server for receiving, so all email clients should enable that to be set up
> flexibly. But some of those used on mobile phones are very quirky and
> intricate to configure. It's also essential to be able to specify which
> 'port' to use for the SMTP server; the common 'default' port 25 is often
> blocked by ISPs but most email services can use eg 587 or 2525 instead.

I wrote this badly. What I meant to say was that the outgoing server setup
on some phones didn't seem to offer the ability to use a
username/password/server address for incoming, and a different set of
user/password/server address for the outgoing server which can happen if you
use a different path for the two directions ?

Tony

From: jasee on 6 Apr 2010 14:15
There is also with some email clients, the ability to only display the
headers of messages unless you actually click the message and, to leave the
copy of the mail received on the mail server.

These features can be useful if (as is usual with mobile phones) your
internet useage is tightly capped.


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From: Whiskers on 6 Apr 2010 15:00
On 2010-04-06, Tonyb <tonyb61(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Whiskers" <catwheezel(a)operamail.com> wrote in message
> news:slrnhrjs25.cpa.catwheezel(a)ID-107770.user.individual.net...
>> On 2010-04-04, TonyB <tonyb(a)benhamhouse.co.uk> wrote:

[...]

>>> I've also had a look at various colleagues phones, and some of the email
>>> clients do not seem to support a different server address for incoming
>>> email
>>> and outgoing email so I can't even see how this is supposed to work as it
>>> would require each email account to support relaying ?
>>> Very confused ?
>>
>> There has to be an SMTP server for sending, as well as an IMAP or POP
>> server for receiving, so all email clients should enable that to be set up
>> flexibly. But some of those used on mobile phones are very quirky and
>> intricate to configure. It's also essential to be able to specify which
>> 'port' to use for the SMTP server; the common 'default' port 25 is often
>> blocked by ISPs but most email services can use eg 587 or 2525 instead.
>
> I wrote this badly. What I meant to say was that the outgoing server setup
> on some phones didn't seem to offer the ability to use a
> username/password/server address for incoming, and a different set of
> user/password/server address for the outgoing server which can happen if you
> use a different path for the two directions ?

The 'outgoing' SMTP server address is usually different from the
'incoming' POP or IMAP server, even if the same username and password are
the same for both. I suppose that if a mobile phone is 'locked' to a
particular network, the pre-installed software may be 'locked' to that
network's SMTP server - so the user isn't offered any setting options for
that. That is something to ask the telco, and insist on a straight answer
before committing yourself: can I use the SMTP server provided by <insert
[independent email service | employer] here>?

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From: Bob Martin on 14 Apr 2010 10:36
in 202691 20100413 093540 Peter <occassionally-confused(a)nospam.co.uk> wrote:
>Can a phone be used to retrieve hotmail/yahoo emails??
>
>Without starting up a web browser, I mean...

Depends on the phone, doesn't it?

I've had several phones which get email without using a browser.
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