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From: TonyB on 4 Apr 2010 11:14
I've been looking at trying to upgrade to phone that will enable me to read
email from my various email accounts, including the usual free accounts like
yahoo/hotmail and also my work email (not exchange). I'm not too hung up on
a particular email client. I can read/send email from my pc's at work and
home on all my accounts.
Googling how this works for a mobile phone seems to indicate reading your
email from most phones with a data account is straightforward, just set up
the username and password, and pop/imap server address of each email account
and you can read the mailboxes fine. But sending emails is very hit and miss
for some reason. With standard broadband adsl/dial up accounts you use the
smtp server for the isp to send email and because you've already made an
authenticated connection to the isp you can send email using the isp's smtp
server for all your email accounts as they know you are not
relaying/spamming. But mobile data providers often do not seem to use this
model even though the same arguments apply. I would expect if I had a phone
using say orange for data, that I would set my incoming email servers to
hotmail/yahoo/work etc and the outgoing smtp server for each account to say
smtp.orange.net ?

I've also had a look at various colleagues phones, and some of the email
clients do not seem to support a different server address for incoming email
and outgoing email so I can't even see how this is supposed to work as it
would require each email account to support relaying ?
Very confused ?


From: Whiskers on 5 Apr 2010 10:14
On 2010-04-04, TonyB <tonyb(a)benhamhouse.co.uk> wrote:

[...]

> But sending emails is very hit and miss
> for some reason. With standard broadband adsl/dial up accounts you use the
> smtp server for the isp to send email and because you've already made an
> authenticated connection to the isp you can send email using the isp's smtp
> server for all your email accounts as they know you are not
> relaying/spamming. But mobile data providers often do not seem to use this
> model even though the same arguments apply. I would expect if I had a phone
> using say orange for data, that I would set my incoming email servers to
> hotmail/yahoo/work etc and the outgoing smtp server for each account to say
> smtp.orange.net ?

Some email service providers offer 'authenticated' login to their SMTP
server, so that you can send emails from any internet connection. Any
email service that isn't tied to a particular ISP is almost certain to
offer this option.

Some email service providers offer 'relaying' over their SMTP server, of
messages with other domains in the From header; you'll probably have to
pay for such a service (and set up the 'relaying' details for each address
concerned). I don't know if Orange's SMTP service allows such 'relaying'
(but it would be very useful). You may find that you have to use an
Orange email address if you want to use their SMTP server.

> I've also had a look at various colleagues phones, and some of the email
> clients do not seem to support a different server address for incoming email
> and outgoing email so I can't even see how this is supposed to work as it
> would require each email account to support relaying ?
> Very confused ?

There has to be an SMTP server for sending, as well as an IMAP or POP
server for receiving, so all email clients should enable that to be set up
flexibly. But some of those used on mobile phones are very quirky and
intricate to configure. It's also essential to be able to specify which
'port' to use for the SMTP server; the common 'default' port 25 is often
blocked by ISPs but most email services can use eg 587 or 2525 instead.

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-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
From: NetGuy on 5 Apr 2010 16:12
On 05 Apr 2010, Whiskers <catwheezel(a)operamail.com> wrote:

>On 2010-04-04, TonyB <tonyb(a)benhamhouse.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[...]
>> But mobile data providers often do not seem to use this
>> model even though the same arguments apply. I would expect if I had a phone
>> using say orange for data, that I would set my incoming email servers to
>> hotmail/yahoo/work etc and the outgoing smtp server for each account to say
>> smtp.orange.net ?
>
>Some email service providers offer 'authenticated' login to their SMTP
>server, so that you can send emails from any internet connection. Any
>email service that isn't tied to a particular ISP is almost certain to
>offer this option.

I can recommend FastMail.net (costs about $5 a year) which can accept
requests on any port via their own proxy servers (so IMAP, SMTP and
POP can be accessed via different servers, on port 80 like web pages).
I'm using Three (smtp-mbb.three.co.uk) from my broadband dongle, but
don't know what they allow from an actual mobile phone. No doubt it'd
be possible to use FastMail and probably plenty of other services.

www.emaildiscussions.com might be useful for TonyB if he wants to
look for some other services. FastMail allows one alternative mail
address (you need to verify by clicking a link, so they can be sure
your use is valid, which means it's a pain to use several different
non-FastMail addresses).

> I don't know if Orange's SMTP service allows such 'relaying'

Oh dear - if they handle e-mail the same way as they used to do (on the
Freeserve ADSL service) they allow people to specify alternative SMTP
servers but funnel the data into their own server(s), which seemed to
be last in priority if ever there were faults.
From: R. Mark Clayton on 5 Apr 2010 16:43
There are several different ways - my Nokia supports [at least] three.

1. Downloaded webmail application from BT.
Works a bit like webmail, but not very good.

2. Pop3 to messaging.
Bit cumbersome, but messages can be read offline (useful if you travel
to work on the tube). Only downloads a user specified amount.

3. Nokia mail application (free).
In coverage this works best of all, with auto address fill in etc.


"TonyB" <tonyb(a)benhamhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
news:b12un.551918$SZ7.416651(a)en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com...
> I've been looking at trying to upgrade to phone that will enable me to
> read email from my various email accounts, including the usual free
> accounts like yahoo/hotmail and also my work email (not exchange). I'm not
> too hung up on a particular email client. I can read/send email from my
> pc's at work and home on all my accounts.
> Googling how this works for a mobile phone seems to indicate reading your
> email from most phones with a data account is straightforward, just set up
> the username and password, and pop/imap server address of each email
> account and you can read the mailboxes fine. But sending emails is very
> hit and miss for some reason. With standard broadband adsl/dial up
> accounts you use the smtp server for the isp to send email and because
> you've already made an authenticated connection to the isp you can send
> email using the isp's smtp server for all your email accounts as they know
> you are not relaying/spamming. But mobile data providers often do not
> seem to use this model even though the same arguments apply. I would
> expect if I had a phone using say orange for data, that I would set my
> incoming email servers to hotmail/yahoo/work etc and the outgoing smtp
> server for each account to say smtp.orange.net ?
>
> I've also had a look at various colleagues phones, and some of the email
> clients do not seem to support a different server address for incoming
> email and outgoing email so I can't even see how this is supposed to work
> as it would require each email account to support relaying ?
> Very confused ?
>
>


From: R. Mark Clayton on 5 Apr 2010 16:46
Almost forgot there is the Blackberry way, whereby mail is held on their
server and displayed in a proprietary way. Also quite slick, but coverage
dependent and it only provides low resolution page at a time images of
attached PDF's.

"R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclayton(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:8ZadnVxy0ZHx1ifWnZ2dnUVZ7t2dnZ2d(a)bt.com...
> There are several different ways - my Nokia supports [at least] three.
>
> 1. Downloaded webmail application from BT.
> Works a bit like webmail, but not very good.
>
> 2. Pop3 to messaging.
> Bit cumbersome, but messages can be read offline (useful if you travel
> to work on the tube). Only downloads a user specified amount.
>
> 3. Nokia mail application (free).
> In coverage this works best of all, with auto address fill in etc.
>
>
> "TonyB" <tonyb(a)benhamhouse.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b12un.551918$SZ7.416651(a)en-nntp-07.am2.easynews.com...
>> I've been looking at trying to upgrade to phone that will enable me to
>> read email from my various email accounts, including the usual free
>> accounts like yahoo/hotmail and also my work email (not exchange). I'm
>> not too hung up on a particular email client. I can read/send email from
>> my pc's at work and home on all my accounts.
>> Googling how this works for a mobile phone seems to indicate reading your
>> email from most phones with a data account is straightforward, just set
>> up the username and password, and pop/imap server address of each email
>> account and you can read the mailboxes fine. But sending emails is very
>> hit and miss for some reason. With standard broadband adsl/dial up
>> accounts you use the smtp server for the isp to send email and because
>> you've already made an authenticated connection to the isp you can send
>> email using the isp's smtp server for all your email accounts as they
>> know you are not relaying/spamming. But mobile data providers often do
>> not seem to use this model even though the same arguments apply. I would
>> expect if I had a phone using say orange for data, that I would set my
>> incoming email servers to hotmail/yahoo/work etc and the outgoing smtp
>> server for each account to say smtp.orange.net ?
>>
>> I've also had a look at various colleagues phones, and some of the email
>> clients do not seem to support a different server address for incoming
>> email and outgoing email so I can't even see how this is supposed to work
>> as it would require each email account to support relaying ?
>> Very confused ?
>>
>>
>
>


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