From: John John - MVP on
Tim Meddick wrote:
> I rarely use either the MAP or the DISPART command and if I have a major
> problem, similar to yours, I always use an M$-DOS boot disk.
>
> The difference being that the DOS command FDISK - does return volume
> labels (where they exist) on partitions.
>
> The thing is, without knowing which partition is which - you might be
> deleting the netbook's recovery partition - should it have one.
>
> My best guess would be :
>
> -: Partition1 <EISA Utilities> 6150 MB = RECOVERY PARTITION
> C: Partition2 <NTFS> 68653 MB = WINDOWS PARTITION
> E: Partition3 <NTFS> 39622 MB = UBUNTU PARTITION

Begs the question of why would Ubuntu be installed on a proprietary NTFS
partition?


> D: Partition1 <KINGSTON> [FAT] = YOUR USB DRIVE
>
> .....so, you could try deleting E: Partition3 <NTFS> 39622 MB
> ....(unless you know different - that this is NOT the UBUNTU partition!)
>
> My evidence for this is that as you are actually logged in to C:\Windows
> while you are running Recovery Console, the partition before it must
> have been there before or at the installation of the C: partition - it
> has no drive-letter associated with it, so it's probably a hidden
> partition - usually this means the recovery partition. That just leaves
> Partition3 (E:)

I think that at this stage finding the Active status of the partitions
might help. Carl (or Bob) would need to create a Windows 98 Startup
disk on USB and use Fdisk to see what is going on with the active
partition flag. I haven't ever made a W98 bootable USB stick but a
quick search on the net leads to sites like this with all the
information and downloads for the necessary files:

http://www.bay-wolf.com/usbmemstick.htm
How to Create a bootable USB Memory Key

You should be able to toggle the active partition with Fdisk but I would
also stick PowerQuest's (Symantec} 16-bit PtEdit utility on the stick:
http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/tools.htm

John
From: Carl on
On Apr 29, 10:23 am, John John - MVP <audetw...(a)nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> Tim Meddick wrote:
> > I rarely use either the MAP or the DISPART command and if I have a major
> > problem, similar to yours, I always use an M$-DOS boot disk.
>
> > The difference being that the DOS command FDISK - does return volume
> > labels (where they exist) on partitions.
>
> > The thing is, without knowing which partition is which - you might be
> > deleting the netbook's  recovery partition - should it have one.
>
> > My best guess would be :
>
> > -: Partition1 <EISA Utilities> 6150 MB  = RECOVERY PARTITION
> > C: Partition2 <NTFS> 68653 MB = WINDOWS PARTITION
> > E: Partition3 <NTFS> 39622 MB =  UBUNTU PARTITION
>
> Begs the question of why would Ubuntu be installed on a proprietary NTFS
> partition?
>
> > D:  Partition1 <KINGSTON> [FAT] = YOUR USB DRIVE
>
> > .....so, you could try deleting E: Partition3 <NTFS> 39622 MB
> > ....(unless you know different - that this is NOT the UBUNTU partition!)
>
> > My evidence for this is that as you are actually logged in to C:\Windows
> > while you are running Recovery Console, the partition before it must
> > have been there before or at the installation of the C: partition - it
> > has no drive-letter associated with it, so it's probably a hidden
> > partition - usually this means the recovery partition. That just leaves
> > Partition3 (E:)
>
> I think that at this stage finding the Active status of the partitions
> might help.  Carl (or Bob) would need to create a Windows 98 Startup
> disk on USB and use Fdisk to see what is going on with the active
> partition flag.  I haven't ever made a W98 bootable USB stick but a
> quick search on the net leads to sites like this with all the
> information and downloads for the necessary files:
>
> http://www.bay-wolf.com/usbmemstick.htm
> How to Create a bootable USB Memory Key
>
> You should be able to toggle the active partition with Fdisk but I would
> also stick PowerQuest's (Symantec} 16-bit PtEdit utility on the stick:http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/tools.htm
>
> John

Gentlemen -

I DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!!!

It worked!

I cannot thank you enough.

Here's what I did:

I deleted the E partition.

I ran MAP again

Returned:
? NTFS 6150MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition1
C: NTFS 68653MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition2
F: NTFS 39621MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition3
D: FAT16 963MB \Device\Harddisk1\Partition1

I removed the USB flash drive and restarted, and it booted normally,
into Windows and all appears fine.

If you two would bear with me, I will summarize all of the guidance,
step by step, that you give me and post it at the end of this thread
plus post it on the Samsung Netbook site for others having this
problem.

I know there are many others with the problem because when I Googled
the GRUB problem, I got multiple hits but none of them worked for me
and most relied on an external HD and booting from a Windows CD.

Tim said it could be done w/o an external HD and he was right.

I'll try to write my summary this weekend and post it back here.

BTW, just to be sure, shut down my computer and started again and
again, all is well.

My deepest thanks,
Carl

BTW, when I start up , I am offered the choice of booting up in either
M/S Windows XP Home Edition or Ubuntu, so there must be something on
the HD that I need to get rid of in order to weed Ubuntu entirely from
my HD, no?
From: Tim Meddick on
I am so pleased! (told you that you'd get there in the end!)

Concerning the bogus menu entry on startup.....

When you ran the FIXBOOT C: command, on your merry travels, Windows re-wrote your
BOOT.INI file that deals with the start(up) menu (which lives in the root of your
[C:] system drive) adding any valid operating systems it could detect at the time.

When you did this, the UBUNTU partition STILL EXISTED, but now does not, so if you
did selected this option at boot now, I very much doubt you'd get anything but an
system error.

To get rid of it, either :

1). Goto "Control Panel" -> "System Properties" -> "Advanced" tab -> "Startup and
Recovery" (Settings button).

....and in the "System Startup" [top] section, press on the "Edit" button.

Highlight and delete the ONE line containing the word "Ubuntu" and save / close.

- you won't see the "Ubuntu" menu item on startup any more.


2). Type MSCONFIG into the "Run" box on the start menu and click on the BOOT.INI
"tab".

Press the button marked "Check all boot paths" This should result in all invalid
entries in the menu to be removed.

Press [ok] to save and exit.

3). Open a command prompt, and type the following command[s] :

attrib -r -h -s c:\boot.ini
notepad c:\boot.ini

....then edit the file (as in 1), removing the line that contains the word "Ubuntu"
and then "save" and exit. Again, the offending menu entry will be gone....

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Carl" <carlhammel1(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e8450746-68d8-42ed-888f-7e9d8dc5eae6(a)q21g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 29, 10:23 am, John John - MVP <audetw...(a)nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
> Tim Meddick wrote:
> > I rarely use either the MAP or the DISPART command and if I have a major
> > problem, similar to yours, I always use an M$-DOS boot disk.
>
> > The difference being that the DOS command FDISK - does return volume
> > labels (where they exist) on partitions.
>
> > The thing is, without knowing which partition is which - you might be
> > deleting the netbook's recovery partition - should it have one.
>
> > My best guess would be :
>
> > -: Partition1 <EISA Utilities> 6150 MB = RECOVERY PARTITION
> > C: Partition2 <NTFS> 68653 MB = WINDOWS PARTITION
> > E: Partition3 <NTFS> 39622 MB = UBUNTU PARTITION
>
> Begs the question of why would Ubuntu be installed on a proprietary NTFS
> partition?
>
> > D: Partition1 <KINGSTON> [FAT] = YOUR USB DRIVE
>
> > .....so, you could try deleting E: Partition3 <NTFS> 39622 MB
> > ....(unless you know different - that this is NOT the UBUNTU partition!)
>
> > My evidence for this is that as you are actually logged in to C:\Windows
> > while you are running Recovery Console, the partition before it must
> > have been there before or at the installation of the C: partition - it
> > has no drive-letter associated with it, so it's probably a hidden
> > partition - usually this means the recovery partition. That just leaves
> > Partition3 (E:)
>
> I think that at this stage finding the Active status of the partitions
> might help. Carl (or Bob) would need to create a Windows 98 Startup
> disk on USB and use Fdisk to see what is going on with the active
> partition flag. I haven't ever made a W98 bootable USB stick but a
> quick search on the net leads to sites like this with all the
> information and downloads for the necessary files:
>
> http://www.bay-wolf.com/usbmemstick.htm
> How to Create a bootable USB Memory Key
>
> You should be able to toggle the active partition with Fdisk but I would
> also stick PowerQuest's (Symantec} 16-bit PtEdit utility on the
> stick:http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/tools.htm
>
> John

Gentlemen -

I DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!!!

It worked!

I cannot thank you enough.

Here's what I did:

I deleted the E partition.

I ran MAP again

Returned:
? NTFS 6150MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition1
C: NTFS 68653MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition2
F: NTFS 39621MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition3
D: FAT16 963MB \Device\Harddisk1\Partition1

I removed the USB flash drive and restarted, and it booted normally,
into Windows and all appears fine.

If you two would bear with me, I will summarize all of the guidance,
step by step, that you give me and post it at the end of this thread
plus post it on the Samsung Netbook site for others having this
problem.

I know there are many others with the problem because when I Googled
the GRUB problem, I got multiple hits but none of them worked for me
and most relied on an external HD and booting from a Windows CD.

Tim said it could be done w/o an external HD and he was right.

I'll try to write my summary this weekend and post it back here.

BTW, just to be sure, shut down my computer and started again and
again, all is well.

My deepest thanks,
Carl

BTW, when I start up , I am offered the choice of booting up in either
M/S Windows XP Home Edition or Ubuntu, so there must be something on
the HD that I need to get rid of in order to weed Ubuntu entirely from
my HD, no?

From: Twayne on
Good work, Tim.

HTH,

Twayne`


n news:OiGHr785KHA.3656(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,
Tim Meddick <timmeddick(a)o2.co.uk> typed:
> I am so pleased! (told you that you'd get there in the
> end!)
> Concerning the bogus menu entry on startup.....
>
> When you ran the FIXBOOT C: command, on your merry travels,
> Windows re-wrote your BOOT.INI file that deals with the
> start(up) menu (which lives in the root of your [C:] system
> drive) adding any valid operating systems it could detect
> at the time.
> When you did this, the UBUNTU partition STILL EXISTED, but
> now does not, so if you did selected this option at boot
> now, I very much doubt you'd get anything but an system
> error.
> To get rid of it, either :
>
> 1). Goto "Control Panel" -> "System Properties" ->
> "Advanced" tab -> "Startup and Recovery" (Settings button).
>
> ...and in the "System Startup" [top] section, press on the
> "Edit" button.
> Highlight and delete the ONE line containing the word
> "Ubuntu" and save / close.
> - you won't see the "Ubuntu" menu item on startup any more.
>
>
> 2). Type MSCONFIG into the "Run" box on the start menu and
> click on the BOOT.INI "tab".
>
> Press the button marked "Check all boot paths" This should
> result in all invalid entries in the menu to be removed.
>
> Press [ok] to save and exit.
>
> 3). Open a command prompt, and type the following
> command[s] :
> attrib -r -h -s c:\boot.ini
> notepad c:\boot.ini
>
> ...then edit the file (as in 1), removing the line that
> contains the word "Ubuntu" and then "save" and exit. Again, the offending
> menu entry will be gone....
> ==
>
> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)
>
>
>
>
> "Carl" <carlhammel1(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e8450746-68d8-42ed-888f-7e9d8dc5eae6(a)q21g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 29, 10:23 am, John John - MVP
> <audetw...(a)nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>> Tim Meddick wrote:
>>> I rarely use either the MAP or the DISPART command and if
>>> I have a major problem, similar to yours, I always use an
>>> M$-DOS boot disk.
>>
>>> The difference being that the DOS command FDISK - does
>>> return volume labels (where they exist) on partitions.
>>
>>> The thing is, without knowing which partition is which -
>>> you might be deleting the netbook's recovery partition -
>>> should it have one.
>>
>>> My best guess would be :
>>
>>> -: Partition1 <EISA Utilities> 6150 MB = RECOVERY
>>> PARTITION C: Partition2 <NTFS> 68653 MB = WINDOWS PARTITION
>>> E: Partition3 <NTFS> 39622 MB = UBUNTU PARTITION
>>
>> Begs the question of why would Ubuntu be installed on a
>> proprietary NTFS partition?
>>
>>> D: Partition1 <KINGSTON> [FAT] = YOUR USB DRIVE
>>
>>> .....so, you could try deleting E: Partition3 <NTFS>
>>> 39622 MB ....(unless you know different - that this is
>>> NOT the UBUNTU partition!)
>>
>>> My evidence for this is that as you are actually logged
>>> in to C:\Windows while you are running Recovery Console,
>>> the partition before it must have been there before or at
>>> the installation of the C: partition - it has no
>>> drive-letter associated with it, so it's probably a
>>> hidden partition - usually this means the recovery
>>> partition. That just leaves Partition3 (E:)
>>
>> I think that at this stage finding the Active status of
>> the partitions might help. Carl (or Bob) would need to
>> create a Windows 98 Startup disk on USB and use Fdisk to
>> see what is going on with the active partition flag. I
>> haven't ever made a W98 bootable USB stick but a quick
>> search on the net leads to sites like this with all the
>> information and downloads for the necessary files:
>> http://www.bay-wolf.com/usbmemstick.htm
>> How to Create a bootable USB Memory Key
>>
>> You should be able to toggle the active partition with
>> Fdisk but I would also stick PowerQuest's (Symantec}
>> 16-bit PtEdit utility on the
>> stick:http://www.goodells.net/multiboot/tools.htm John
>
> Gentlemen -
>
> I DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!!!
>
> It worked!
>
> I cannot thank you enough.
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> I deleted the E partition.
>
> I ran MAP again
>
> Returned:
> ? NTFS 6150MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition1
> C: NTFS 68653MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition2
> F: NTFS 39621MB \Device\Harddisk0\Partition3
> D: FAT16 963MB \Device\Harddisk1\Partition1
>
> I removed the USB flash drive and restarted, and it booted
> normally, into Windows and all appears fine.
>
> If you two would bear with me, I will summarize all of the
> guidance, step by step, that you give me and post it at the end of
> this thread plus post it on the Samsung Netbook site for others having
> this problem.
>
> I know there are many others with the problem because when
> I Googled the GRUB problem, I got multiple hits but none of them
> worked for me and most relied on an external HD and booting from a
> Windows CD.
> Tim said it could be done w/o an external HD and he was
> right.
> I'll try to write my summary this weekend and post it back
> here.
> BTW, just to be sure, shut down my computer and started
> again and again, all is well.
>
> My deepest thanks,
> Carl
>
> BTW, when I start up , I am offered the choice of booting
> up in either M/S Windows XP Home Edition or Ubuntu, so there must be
> something on the HD that I need to get rid of in order to weed Ubuntu
> entirely from my HD, no?



From: Tim Meddick on
Thankyou for that, Twayne,
however, I feel that in one or two steps in the
OP's procedures, a lot of luck came into it as well.

Not to detract from the OP's obvious gift for lateral thinking in
overcoming a load of obstacles with the minimum of guidance from me.

But I will say that it made me smile somewhat, on hearing that his Windows
installation had been brought back to life, as I'm sure he did...

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Twayne" <nobody(a)spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> Good work, Tim.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>
>
> < msg body clipped >