How to find any computers on the network or hotspot (WinXP)
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From: Bert Hyman on 21 Jul 2010 13:03 In news:i278fn$els$1(a)reader1.panix.com danny burstein <dannyb(a)panix.com> wrote: > > One semi-legit purpose for "seeing" the other users is that iTunes > allows a user to place the local music file into a semi-public > directory. That way, if other iTunes users can "see" your computer, > they can also play "your" music. Doesn't that rely on Apple's "Bonjour" service, where iTunes actually broadcasts its existence so that other iTunes instances can find it? That wouldn't require any general-purpose ability to see other systems on a network. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert(a)iphouse.com
From: danny burstein on 21 Jul 2010 13:13 In <Xns9DBC7ABBE4C0FVeebleFetzer(a)216.250.188.141> Bert Hyman <bert(a)iphouse.com> writes: >In news:i278fn$els$1(a)reader1.panix.com danny burstein <dannyb(a)panix.com> >wrote: >> >> One semi-legit purpose for "seeing" the other users is that iTunes >> allows a user to place the local music file into a semi-public >> directory. That way, if other iTunes users can "see" your computer, >> they can also play "your" music. >Doesn't that rely on Apple's "Bonjour" service, where iTunes actually >broadcasts its existence so that other iTunes instances can find it? Hmm. you know, I don't have a clue as to how it does its magic... All I know is that it works. (And, as I mentioned earlier, I was quite surprised, happily so, to see a dozen other iTunes libraries that I could listen to...). >That wouldn't require any general-purpose ability to see other systems >on a network. Dunno. But I'm sure someone or another here will be by with the answer in a moment, and I'll feel like crawling under a rock... -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb(a)panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]
From: Fuller on 21 Jul 2010 14:14 On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 09:03:49 -0700, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > net view > arp -a > nbtstat -n Hi Jeff, You immediately seem to have the most understanding here. On my home network, with 3 computers on a router, these commands report: C:\bin\> net view System error 6118 has occurred. The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available C:\bin\> arp -a No ARP Entries Found C:\bin\> nbtstat -n LAN: Node IpAddress: [0.0.0.0] Scope Id: [] No names in cache WAN: Node IpAddress: [10.20.30.200] Scope Id: [] NetBIOS Local Name Table Name Type Status --------------------------------------------- BORONA <00> UNIQUE Registered BORONA <20> UNIQUE Registered OFFICE <00> GROUP Registered In summary, these commands won't find my computers on the network let alone anyone else trying to break into my network (which is what I'm watching out for). I'll try the other suggested programs and report back. In the meantime, my main question is that I don't understand why these commands don't even show my own computers connected to my own network?
From: Mike Easter on 21 Jul 2010 14:36 Fuller wrote: > anyone else trying to break into my network (which is what I'm watching out > for). One good way to watch for intrusion is to use something like WallWatcher to collect, view, and analyze your router logs. If your router's ability to log is compatible with WW's ability to collect then the viewing and analysis is made much more interpretable by WW's organization and graphical display of the data. Otherwise router logs would be mind-numbing. http://www.wallwatcher1.com/ collects, displays, and analyzes log information from more than 135 Routers and firewalls If you are interested in investigating any problems with network interference in your area (or rogue access points) something like NetStumbler might help you http://www.stumbler.net/readme/readme_0_4_0.html What is NetStumbler? -- Mike Easter
From: Jeff Liebermann on 21 Jul 2010 14:59 On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:14:06 +0000 (UTC), Fuller <fuller_w(a)Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote: >C:\bin\> net view >System error 6118 has occurred. >The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available You have file and print sharing disabled on your unspecified operating system. I'm assuming Windoze XP SP3. >C:\bin\> arp -a >No ARP Entries Found Your network may be broken. At a minimum, it should show the MAC and IP address of your unspecified maker and model internet router. For example, on my system, I now see: C:\>arp -a Interface: 192.168.1.11 --- 0x3 Internet Address Physical Address Type 192.168.1.1 00-16-01-97-fd-a6 dynamic 192.168.1.122 00-00-00-00-00-00 invalid The last line is my iPod Touch, which I turned off just before running the command. >C:\bin\> nbtstat -n >LAN: >Node IpAddress: [0.0.0.0] Scope Id: [] > No names in cache >WAN: >Node IpAddress: [10.20.30.200] Scope Id: [] > NetBIOS Local Name Table > Name Type Status > --------------------------------------------- > BORONA <00> UNIQUE Registered > BORONA <20> UNIQUE Registered > OFFICE <00> GROUP Registered Very strange. Your LAN is disconnected and you have a WAN connection using a non-routeable IP address. That means you probably have your computah plugged directly into a cable, DSL, or wireless modem. That works, but you're not going to see the rest of your ISP's customers machines. The router at the ISP is always configured to prevent this. Nice try. Your LAN related command will work when you get a LAN. Also, compare your output with mine. See anything different? C:\>nbtstat -n Local Area Connection 4: Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.11] Scope Id: [] NetBIOS Local Name Table Name Type Status -------------------------------------------- CHOLESTEROL3 <00> UNIQUE Registered WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered CHOLESTEROL3 <20> UNIQUE Registered WORKGROUP <1E> GROUP Registered WORKGROUP <1D> UNIQUE Registered ..__MSBROWSE__.<01> GROUP Registered Note the MSBROWSE with means Windoze discovery service is working. 20 is File Server Service, which suggests that file sharing is enabled. I'm not sure why 'net view' would fail if it's really enabled. Firewall rules problem? Virus? Key Logger? Hard to tell from here. IE and ID are Browser Service Election, which means that since I only have one machine on at this time, it gets to play Master Browser for "view network neighborhood". There's quite a bit of interesting stuff under nbtstat: <http://www.windowsnetworking.com/kbase/WindowsTips/WindowsNT/AdminTips/Accounts/Nbtstatrevealswhoisloggedon.html> >In the meantime, my main question is that I don't understand why these >commands don't even show my own computers connected to my own network? I had rather hoped that you would do some Google searching for the details behind the commands. If you want it delivered on a silver platter, $75/hr is my consulting rate. Paypal to the address in the signature. You might consider answering my previous questions before asking any more. I'll make it easy for you: 1. What do mean by "see"? What information do you want? 2. What are you trying to accomplish? 3. Why are you trying to hack computers that do not belong to you in a coffee shop? 4. Add one more. What do you have for hardware, how is it configured (IP layout), and where is the wireless in the puzzle? -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl(a)cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
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