From: Tinkerer Atlarge on
Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <1jgktj9.113pu6b18zi2wmN%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
> tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
>
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <1jgiv8b.1j8is5s9mdov9N%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
> > > tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
> > >
> > > > My powerpc mac (OSX 10.4.11) suddenly takes a lot longer to shut down.
> > > > This might have been caused by auto-updates to Safari 4.0.5 or iTunes
> > > > 9.1. I can't think of any other reason.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know a way to make it shut down faster ?
> > >
> > > I'm betting a peek at the /var/log/system.log file would tell you
> > > exactly why it's taking so long.
> >
> > Here is all I can find in /var/log/system.log relating to the previous
> > shut-down. It doesn't seem to cover anything like the 30 seconds of blue
> > screen with little black twirly-gig at bottom. Maybe you can spot
> > something:
> >
> > Apr 7 11:23:07 eMac /Library/Application
> > Support/Symantec/Scheduler/SymSecondaryLaunch.app/Contents/NortonMissedT
> > asks: uid 501 already done\n
[ ... ]
>
> You're running Norton - that's very likely the problem.

That's the one I was most reluctant to try, but it turned out to be the
solution. Using the Symantec Uninstaller to remove Norton AV reduced the
blue screen rumination period from 30 secs to 4 secs.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
From: Tim McNamara on
In article <1jgngtk.nxc46h4mqp1cN%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1jgktj9.113pu6b18zi2wmN%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
> > tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
> >
> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <1jgiv8b.1j8is5s9mdov9N%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
> > > > tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My powerpc mac (OSX 10.4.11) suddenly takes a lot longer to
> > > > > shut down. This might have been caused by auto-updates to
> > > > > Safari 4.0.5 or iTunes 9.1. I can't think of any other
> > > > > reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know a way to make it shut down faster ?
> > > >
> > > > I'm betting a peek at the /var/log/system.log file would tell
> > > > you exactly why it's taking so long.
> > >
> > > Here is all I can find in /var/log/system.log relating to the
> > > previous shut-down. It doesn't seem to cover anything like the 30
> > > seconds of blue screen with little black twirly-gig at bottom.
> > > Maybe you can spot something:
> > >
> > > Apr 7 11:23:07 eMac /Library/Application
> > > Support/Symantec/Scheduler/SymSecondaryLaunch.app/Contents/NortonM
> > > issedT asks: uid 501 already done\n
> [ ... ]
> >
> > You're running Norton - that's very likely the problem.
>
> That's the one I was most reluctant to try, but it turned out to be
> the solution. Using the Symantec Uninstaller to remove Norton AV
> reduced the blue screen rumination period from 30 secs to 4 secs.

There you go. This isn't new, BTW. Norton's stuff has been causing
problems on Macs for 15 years or more. I don't know what the problem is
with their programmers but they've never gotten in right on the Mac
platform. I've always wondered if this is true on the Windows side,
too, and whether Norton is the root of many of the usability and
stability problems that plague that platform. So many people install it
because the marketing convinces them it's essential.
From: Jolly Roger on
In article <1jgngtk.nxc46h4mqp1cN%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1jgktj9.113pu6b18zi2wmN%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
> > tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
> >
> > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <1jgiv8b.1j8is5s9mdov9N%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
> > > > tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My powerpc mac (OSX 10.4.11) suddenly takes a lot longer to shut down.
> > > > > This might have been caused by auto-updates to Safari 4.0.5 or iTunes
> > > > > 9.1. I can't think of any other reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know a way to make it shut down faster ?
> > > >
> > > > I'm betting a peek at the /var/log/system.log file would tell you
> > > > exactly why it's taking so long.
> > >
> > > Here is all I can find in /var/log/system.log relating to the previous
> > > shut-down. It doesn't seem to cover anything like the 30 seconds of blue
> > > screen with little black twirly-gig at bottom. Maybe you can spot
> > > something:
> > >
> > > Apr 7 11:23:07 eMac /Library/Application
> > > Support/Symantec/Scheduler/SymSecondaryLaunch.app/Contents/NortonMissedT
> > > asks: uid 501 already done\n
> [ ... ]
> >
> > You're running Norton - that's very likely the problem.
>
> That's the one I was most reluctant to try, but it turned out to be the
> solution. Using the Symantec Uninstaller to remove Norton AV reduced the
> blue screen rumination period from 30 secs to 4 secs.
>
> Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

There's no need for antivirus software to begin with, so you haven't
lost anything.

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From: Wes Groleau on
On 04-08-2010 09:41, Tim McNamara wrote:
> There you go. This isn't new, BTW. Norton's stuff has been causing
> problems on Macs for 15 years or more. I don't know what the problem is
> with their programmers but they've never gotten in right on the Mac
> platform. I've always wondered if this is true on the Windows side,
> too, and whether Norton is the root of many of the usability and
> stability problems that plague that platform. So many people install it
> because the marketing convinces them it's essential.

Long time ago, as a prerequisite for using VPN to work at home, we were
required to install a company-provided version of Norton AntiVirus.
Documentation claimed it handled Windows viruses, but if I selected
the "virus list" feature, _only_ OS9 (and earlier) viruses were listed.

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From: Erik Richard Sørensen on

Tinkerer Atlarge wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>> tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
>>>>> My powerpc mac (OSX 10.4.11) suddenly takes a lot longer to shut down.
>>>>> This might have been caused by auto-updates to Safari 4.0.5 or iTunes
>>>>> 9.1. I can't think of any other reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know a way to make it shut down faster ?
>>>> I'm betting a peek at the /var/log/system.log file would tell you
>>>> exactly why it's taking so long.
>>> Here is all I can find in /var/log/system.log relating to the previous
>>> shut-down. It doesn't seem to cover anything like the 30 seconds of blue
>>> screen with little black twirly-gig at bottom. Maybe you can spot
>>> something:
>>>
>>> Apr 7 11:23:07 eMac /Library/Application
>>> Support/Symantec/Scheduler/SymSecondaryLaunch.app/Contents/NortonMissedT
>>> asks: uid 501 already done\n
>> [ ... ]
>> You're running Norton - that's very likely the problem.
>
> That's the one I was most reluctant to try, but it turned out to be the
> solution. Using the Symantec Uninstaller to remove Norton AV reduced the
> blue screen rumination period from 30 secs to 4 secs.
>
> Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

Apprx. 26 secs. to check for malware/virus isn't bad. But OK though a
Mac cannot be infected by any at the time known virus, - it's always
good to have an antivirus app so you won't be able to re-send any of
those nasty PC vira that can hide inside a received email. - You can get
the ClamXAV free, but you will experience the exact same 'problem',
which I infact won't call a problem. - Better safe than sad...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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