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From: Huang on 14 Mar 2010 11:59
> > to whom? To humans or to something external to humans? Do aliens find our
> > "art" logical? What about mother nature? Maybe we are just rearranging
> > randomness into another form of randomness?
>
> You miss my point, really.  The word "logical" perhaps could have been
> just as easily been removed from the sentence.  Does that make it
> clearer?  There is no arrangement of matter or information we can make
> that was not a feasible arrangement of matter or information, just as
> there is no (legal) game of chess that can be played which was not
> inherent in the rules of chess, even if nobody has ever played that
> game before.- Hide quoted text -
>



What Ed Green said is correct. And I will add that even if all of
these various configurations of matter, or chess games never actually
happened, they are all OBSERVABLE.

You cannot observe a chess game between 2 people where 3 people
actually win. That would be an unobservable chess game.

Descartes claims "I think....therefore a,b,c,d,e...". He might as well
have said "I love, therefore a,b,c,d...", "I hate, therefore
a,b,c,d...", "I have faith, therefore a,b,c,d...", "I fear, therefore
a,b,c,d...",

Thoughts are NOT observable.
Love is NOT observable to a physicist.
Hate is NOT observable to a physicist.
Fear is NOT observable to a physicist.
Want is NOT observable to a physicist.
Passion is NOT observable to a physicist.
Greed is NOT observable to a physicist.

Descartes based his conclusions about existence on something which is
completely non-observable. It makes much more sense to draw
conclusions based on things which ARE observable, and logical
processes are observable.

You can observe many logical things in action, they are very simple.
Put 2 bricks on the table, add 3 more bricks. The result of this
PHYSICAL EXPERIMENT is that you will now have 5 bricks, and you have
observed logic in action in our physical world.

If you ever take 2 bricks and add 3 more, if the result is something
other than precisely 5 then please call me immediately on my cell
phone because I will want to take a look at that !!
















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