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From: Jim Yanik on 6 Apr 2010 14:27 Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in news:a2nmr555rprf21mqhbvbde9lccg31deqcu(a)4ax.com: > And the chip business is showing signs of heating up... overseas... > but US business is pathetic. > > ...Jim Thompson of course;what's made here in the US anymore? I've read Tektronix[now a Danaher subsidiary] is going to be building their scopes in China. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com
From: Greegor on 6 Apr 2010 15:00 So did I read that right, that the number of plants has dropped and the remaining ones have work orders beyond their capacity?
From: Joerg on 6 Apr 2010 15:00 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:17:38 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:02:23 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:44:55 GMT, nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> MooseFET <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 5, 5:45=A0pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)On-My- >>>>>>> Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> I hope this is a heartening economic sign (just received from >>>>>>>> MOSIS)... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "MOSIS foundry partners report that they are running at full capacity. >>>>>>>> As a consequence we anticipate delays in wafer starts. These delays >>>>>>>> cannot be recovered during fabrication and will impact the amount of >>>>>>>> time it takes for MOSIS to deliver parts to customers. =A0Although some >>>>>>>> lots may have normal turnaround, others may take longer, perhaps five >>>>>>>> to six weeks added time, compared to prior runs. These longer >>>>>>>> fabrication times are being seen at all foundries, not just those that >>>>>>>> work with MOSIS." >>>>>>> My wife works for a company related to the chip industry. They have >>>>>>> increased >>>>>>> their staff by about 3X over the last 4 months. The chip industry is >>>>>>> heating >>>>>>> up. >>>>>> The chip industry is not heating up. The chip industry has created >>>>>> artificial shortages by laying off more people and closing more >>>>>> factories than necessary. >>>>> Huh? The only one I know of is ON Semi, after buying AMIS, closed >>>>> FAB9 (in Pocatello), an ancient process. >>>>> >>>> So what's left of the good old AMI Plant? If they bulldozed the only HV >>>> fab they had I think ON shot themselves into the foot. >>> Naaaah! HV isn't done that way anymore... takes too much chip area. >>> >> Nah, they could do it. Look here: >> >> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/content.do?id=16622 > > Fab9 was old-fashioned CAxxxx kind of stuff... stuff that only those > that can't stop living in the past want to use. > That stuff can be very useful in some applications. >> Then, quote "Let our system architects introduce you to the world of >> mixed-signal" while they didn't even bother to answer a lucrative sales >> lead I had handed them on a silver platter. Pathetic. >> >> >>> Take a look, for example, at XFAB XC10xx, XDM10, XH035 and XT06 >>> processes... mixed low and high voltages devices residing on the same >>> chip. >>> >> Yep, they sure are a good company. AFAICT the only one remaining in the >> US would be Supertex. In my young buck days we also used Telmos but IIRC >> they are long gone. > > XFAB has a fab in Lubbock, TX. > I know, but isn't it German-owned? [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 6 Apr 2010 15:11 Jim Yanik wrote: > Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote > in news:a2nmr555rprf21mqhbvbde9lccg31deqcu(a)4ax.com: > > >> And the chip business is showing signs of heating up... overseas... >> but US business is pathetic. >> >> ...Jim Thompson > > of course;what's made here in the US anymore? Lots of medical electronics, aerospace, oil/gas gear, industrial electronics. And that's just browsing my own turf, there's lots more. For example, there ain't nothing whatsoever engineered or produced in any other country that rivals this, and lots of patients sure will be glad it's around (so they will be around for a long time after the cardiology procedure): http://www.volcanocorp.com/products/ivus-imaging/index.asp I also wouldn't know where the Hittites and Triquints would be in other parts of the world. Or the Intels and AMDs. > I've read Tektronix[now a Danaher subsidiary] is going to be building their > scopes in China. > That's inevitable. DSOs have become low cost products and there is just too much competition from Asian companies. Some of which, I must say, did a better job in the run-of-the-mills DSO market at times. There's a reason why the latest DSO on my lab bench is not a Tektronix or Agilent. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 6 Apr 2010 15:11
On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:00:56 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:17:38 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:02:23 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:44:55 GMT, nico(a)puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> MooseFET <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 5:45=A0pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)On-My- >>>>>>>> Web-Site.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I hope this is a heartening economic sign (just received from >>>>>>>>> MOSIS)... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "MOSIS foundry partners report that they are running at full capacity. >>>>>>>>> As a consequence we anticipate delays in wafer starts. These delays >>>>>>>>> cannot be recovered during fabrication and will impact the amount of >>>>>>>>> time it takes for MOSIS to deliver parts to customers. =A0Although some >>>>>>>>> lots may have normal turnaround, others may take longer, perhaps five >>>>>>>>> to six weeks added time, compared to prior runs. These longer >>>>>>>>> fabrication times are being seen at all foundries, not just those that >>>>>>>>> work with MOSIS." >>>>>>>> My wife works for a company related to the chip industry. They have >>>>>>>> increased >>>>>>>> their staff by about 3X over the last 4 months. The chip industry is >>>>>>>> heating >>>>>>>> up. >>>>>>> The chip industry is not heating up. The chip industry has created >>>>>>> artificial shortages by laying off more people and closing more >>>>>>> factories than necessary. >>>>>> Huh? The only one I know of is ON Semi, after buying AMIS, closed >>>>>> FAB9 (in Pocatello), an ancient process. >>>>>> >>>>> So what's left of the good old AMI Plant? If they bulldozed the only HV >>>>> fab they had I think ON shot themselves into the foot. >>>> Naaaah! HV isn't done that way anymore... takes too much chip area. >>>> >>> Nah, they could do it. Look here: >>> >>> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/content.do?id=16622 >> >> Fab9 was old-fashioned CAxxxx kind of stuff... stuff that only those >> that can't stop living in the past want to use. >> > >That stuff can be very useful in some applications. For what? Spare parts? > > >>> Then, quote "Let our system architects introduce you to the world of >>> mixed-signal" while they didn't even bother to answer a lucrative sales >>> lead I had handed them on a silver platter. Pathetic. >>> >>> >>>> Take a look, for example, at XFAB XC10xx, XDM10, XH035 and XT06 >>>> processes... mixed low and high voltages devices residing on the same >>>> chip. >>>> >>> Yep, they sure are a good company. AFAICT the only one remaining in the >>> US would be Supertex. In my young buck days we also used Telmos but IIRC >>> they are long gone. >> >> XFAB has a fab in Lubbock, TX. >> > >I know, but isn't it German-owned? > >[...] Ja !-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy |