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From: Monica on 12 Aug 2010 23:39
*My C drive is fine. 90% empty/free. Error check was uneventful but defrag
said some files couldn't be defragged and said to view those files in the
report. The report box showed no files that couldn't be defragmented.

*My internal backup drive (E) is FULL. 14% free. Time to upgrade. It
can't even defrag. So, moved my music folder over to my external backup
drive so I could at least run error checking and defrag. Window's error
checking found no problems but defrag didn't do much of anything and I got
this report. Why?
http://www.pbase.com/monicakm/image/127405105

http://www.pbase.com/monicakm/image/127405240

*Today my Seagate Free Agent external (50% free) had errors while backing up
the above internal backup drive (E). I had 14 folders that couldn't be
backed up. >>Error message ( could not create directory on destination or
access denied )<< This drive has also been making unusual chirping noises
today (constant), maybe yesterday as well. I ran a Windows disk check today
and got an error message (in phase 2) that it was unable to complete disk
check. I've been using this external to do daily backups for over a year.
This is the first time I've ever had an error. No, I haven't been to the
Seagate community yet. They're not terribly helpful over there. BTW, I can
access the files that the Seagate program wasn't able to backup.

*Everything that is on the internal and external backup drives is or was on
C at one time. I'm having no problems with C. Error checking completed
with no errors. Defragged with no problems.

*I run a full time (automatically updated) virus program. Avast.

I'm in the process of choosing a new internal hdd. Other than needing to do
that, can anyone help with the other issues...the constant chirping of the
external, external not able to back up 14 (picture folder) files, error
checking not being able to complete, defrag doing little or nothing (altho
it said it was complete) on the internal backup. I've been computing for
almost 20 years and this is the first time I've had hdd issues and it
appears I have two of them (maybe three)
! :o

Could a System Restore help? Probably a stupid question.

Monica
XPS 420
XP SP 3


From: Ben Myers on 13 Aug 2010 13:48
On 8/12/2010 11:39 PM, Monica wrote:
> *My C drive is fine. 90% empty/free. Error check was uneventful but defrag
> said some files couldn't be defragged and said to view those files in the
> report. The report box showed no files that couldn't be defragmented.
>
> *My internal backup drive (E) is FULL. 14% free. Time to upgrade. It
> can't even defrag. So, moved my music folder over to my external backup
> drive so I could at least run error checking and defrag. Window's error
> checking found no problems but defrag didn't do much of anything and I got
> this report. Why?
> http://www.pbase.com/monicakm/image/127405105
>
> http://www.pbase.com/monicakm/image/127405240
>
> *Today my Seagate Free Agent external (50% free) had errors while backing up
> the above internal backup drive (E). I had 14 folders that couldn't be
> backed up.>>Error message ( could not create directory on destination or
> access denied )<< This drive has also been making unusual chirping noises
> today (constant), maybe yesterday as well. I ran a Windows disk check today
> and got an error message (in phase 2) that it was unable to complete disk
> check. I've been using this external to do daily backups for over a year.
> This is the first time I've ever had an error. No, I haven't been to the
> Seagate community yet. They're not terribly helpful over there. BTW, I can
> access the files that the Seagate program wasn't able to backup.
>
> *Everything that is on the internal and external backup drives is or was on
> C at one time. I'm having no problems with C. Error checking completed
> with no errors. Defragged with no problems.
>
> *I run a full time (automatically updated) virus program. Avast.
>
> I'm in the process of choosing a new internal hdd. Other than needing to do
> that, can anyone help with the other issues...the constant chirping of the
> external, external not able to back up 14 (picture folder) files, error
> checking not being able to complete, defrag doing little or nothing (altho
> it said it was complete) on the internal backup. I've been computing for
> almost 20 years and this is the first time I've had hdd issues and it
> appears I have two of them (maybe three)
> ! :o
>
> Could a System Restore help? Probably a stupid question.
>
> Monica
> XPS 420
> XP SP 3
>
>

Monica,

Download and run Defraggler. It is a better defragger than Windows'
own, which is a chessy crippled version of the defragger sold by
Executive Systems.

Defraggler will tell you more than you may want to know about drive
fragmentation. Free, too.

Defraggler will run, albeit slowly, on a drive with not much free space,
e.g. 14% available. But with limited space on the drive, there will
probably be some files that cannot be defragmented. Usually very large
files.

If your Seagate Free Agent has a crappy Maxtor drive in it, that would
explain the problems, wouldn't it?

I would run manufacturers' diagnostics on both drive that give some
trouble. Also, download, burn to a CD, and run HDAT2 4.5.2 to see if
the SMART data on any drive indicates problems. If sectors have been
reallocated or there are pending sectors to reallocate, it is time to
replace a drive. There are also a couple of Windows programs to view
the SMART data, if that is more convenient.

Personally, I have always had little faith in Windows CHKDSK, a generic
toy... Ben Myers
From: Monica on 13 Aug 2010 18:53
Thanks Ben. Right now I'm in the process of moving my data from the FA Desk
drive to my FA Go drive. It's running slooooowwww. I hope it's working
(update: not all the data transferred). I did a lot of your advice last
night. I'd downloaded Defraggler earlier this year when I asked advice (on
this newsgroup) about a defrag program. It was able to check for errors on
C drive and found none. I defragged it as well. The internal backup drive
that had about 14% free space was checked for errors and defragged. When it
was all said and done, Defraggler reported that it now has 55 GB FREE of the
150GB drive (36%).
YES, if the Seagate FA is a Maxtor branded drive...OY! Luckily, the thing
is still under warranty till Dec 2013. It's definitely crippled. I
downloaded and ran Sea Tools last night and checked the drive via the tools
within the backup program too. I don't recall (3am) exactly what Sea Tools
said but it wasn't positive <lol> It failed our couldn't run any of the
tests. I'm not sure what this SMART data is that you refer to but it was
one of the tests in Sea Tools...it failed or said it couldn't run the test.
The Seagate backup program checked the integrity of the drive and instantly
said this drive is toast! (paraphrasing), "you can access and RMA 24 hours a
day on our website". It was too late and I was making mistakes so I quite
for the night. After I make sure everything is copied over to the FA Go
drive (update: it didn't) , I'll be calling Seagate. Everything that's on
the external backup SHOULD be on the internal backup too but just in case,
I'm putting a copy on the portable drive as well.
Question: now that I've more than doubled my free space on E drive (from 14%
to 36%) would running Defragged again go ahead and defrag those files that
were listed under "File List" that couldn't be defragged?
Buying a new internal backup to replace the current 160GB internal backup.
Is Samsung Spinpoint still a good choice? Seagate Barracuda? NewEgg has a
Samsung Spinpoint F3(?) 1TB SATA 3gb/s, 7200 rpms, 32mb cache and 8.9ms seek
time for $60. Thoughts?
Monica
"Ben Myers" <ben_myers(a)charter.net> wrote in message
news:i440ib$nbn$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
> On 8/12/2010 11:39 PM, Monica wrote:
>> *My C drive is fine. 90% empty/free. Error check was uneventful but
>> defrag
>> said some files couldn't be defragged and said to view those files in the
>> report. The report box showed no files that couldn't be defragmented.
>>
>> *My internal backup drive (E) is FULL. 14% free. Time to upgrade. It
>> can't even defrag. So, moved my music folder over to my external backup
>> drive so I could at least run error checking and defrag. Window's error
>> checking found no problems but defrag didn't do much of anything and I
>> got
>> this report. Why?
>> http://www.pbase.com/monicakm/image/127405105
>>
>> http://www.pbase.com/monicakm/image/127405240
>>
>> *Today my Seagate Free Agent external (50% free) had errors while backing
>> up
>> the above internal backup drive (E). I had 14 folders that couldn't be
>> backed up.>>Error message ( could not create directory on destination or
>> access denied )<< This drive has also been making unusual chirping
>> noises
>> today (constant), maybe yesterday as well. I ran a Windows disk check
>> today
>> and got an error message (in phase 2) that it was unable to complete disk
>> check. I've been using this external to do daily backups for over a
>> year.
>> This is the first time I've ever had an error. No, I haven't been to the
>> Seagate community yet. They're not terribly helpful over there. BTW, I
>> can
>> access the files that the Seagate program wasn't able to backup.
>>
>> *Everything that is on the internal and external backup drives is or was
>> on
>> C at one time. I'm having no problems with C. Error checking completed
>> with no errors. Defragged with no problems.
>>
>> *I run a full time (automatically updated) virus program. Avast.
>>
>> I'm in the process of choosing a new internal hdd. Other than needing to
>> do
>> that, can anyone help with the other issues...the constant chirping of
>> the
>> external, external not able to back up 14 (picture folder) files, error
>> checking not being able to complete, defrag doing little or nothing
>> (altho
>> it said it was complete) on the internal backup. I've been computing
>> for
>> almost 20 years and this is the first time I've had hdd issues and it
>> appears I have two of them (maybe three)
>> ! :o
>>
>> Could a System Restore help? Probably a stupid question.
>>
>> Monica
>> XPS 420
>> XP SP 3
>>
>>
>
> Monica,
>
> Download and run Defraggler. It is a better defragger than Windows' own,
> which is a chessy crippled version of the defragger sold by Executive
> Systems.
>
> Defraggler will tell you more than you may want to know about drive
> fragmentation. Free, too.
>
> Defraggler will run, albeit slowly, on a drive with not much free space,
> e.g. 14% available. But with limited space on the drive, there will
> probably be some files that cannot be defragmented. Usually very large
> files.
>
> If your Seagate Free Agent has a crappy Maxtor drive in it, that would
> explain the problems, wouldn't it?
>
> I would run manufacturers' diagnostics on both drive that give some
> trouble. Also, download, burn to a CD, and run HDAT2 4.5.2 to see if the
> SMART data on any drive indicates problems. If sectors have been
> reallocated or there are pending sectors to reallocate, it is time to
> replace a drive. There are also a couple of Windows programs to view the
> SMART data, if that is more convenient.
>
> Personally, I have always had little faith in Windows CHKDSK, a generic
> toy... Ben Myers


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