"Independent Thinking" vs Appeal To Authority In Science
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From: Androcles on 11 Jul 2010 14:20 "Claudius Denk" <claudiusdenk(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:cfc27dd7-56ad-4d0b-b9f7-33ceea88e739(a)v6g2000prd.googlegroups.com... On Jul 11, 9:37 am, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > When the general public hears about a nearby prison break they don't > have or need the time to research all the court documents to verify > for themselves that the escapees are in fact actually violent > murderers and not just some wrongfully convicted innocents. > > The public is aware of itself, the judicial process, the established > institutions and the media and various authorities to be sure enough > to lock the doors, etc. > > In fact, most of the general public will generally go to the ER and > hope that they won't get the wrong limbs amputated. > > Something similar goes on in science. Scientists are familiar with > the peer review process and established institutions and personalities > and can draw conclusions and take action on work that is completely > outside of their field. > > So appeal to authority is something every astute person does at some > time or another. The ones who appear ignorant of vetting processes > and institutions are called "wingers." > > Independent thinking in science means coming up with a new > relationship, something _no one_ has stated before. While this is a > lofty goal doesn't mean that all scientists spend all their time doing > it. > > Most non atmospheric scientists listen to the atmospheric scientists > and maybe wonder about some of their methods but generally believe > what the atmospheric scientists are basically correct. A real scientists, like myself, may, at time, suspend their disbelief temporarily until they've had a chance to further investigate. But you are wrong to suggest that any real scientists would choose to believe something just because some other "expert" said it to be true. Believing without evidence is the realm of science-based whackos, like AGW advocates. It's not the realm of any intellectually honest real scientist. > > But under no circumstances can anyone suggest independent thinking is > a mob of high school drops out sitting around listening to a high > school drop out talk radio host tell the largest lowest common > denominator mob audience what they already wanted to hear because he > gets the most money pandering to the biggest mob of doggy poopy > stoopid rightards. My advice is to stop looking for scientific truth on the radio. =========================================== Radio is a scientific truth. It is the modulation that is suspect.
From: Richard on 11 Jul 2010 14:23 Bret Cahill wrote > > Post some of the discoveries that are a result of yer "independent > thinking." > Jesus turned water into wine and raised the dead. Alchemists made gold from lead. Show me a scientist who can do that. Scientists and their authoritarian dogma are an insult to the truth.
From: AM on 11 Jul 2010 14:28 Claudius Denk wrote: > Scientists like myself, the true independent thinkers, are relatively > rare. Most scientists, many of whom falsely represent themselves as > independent thinkers, are like you. They are incapable of independent > thought. They just regurgitate whatever is in the textbook. They are > more concerned with getting a paycheck than they are with advancing > scientific truth. Wow, well don't you hold yourself in high esteem. A legend in your own mind... Thank you for clarifying what is wrong with the AGW "scientists" at the IPCC. -- AM
From: Androcles on 11 Jul 2010 14:30 "Richard" <rander3127(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9DB29254F301446(a)194.177.98.144... | Bret Cahill wrote | | > | > Post some of the discoveries that are a result of yer "independent | > thinking." | > | | Jesus turned water into wine and raised the dead. | | Alchemists made gold from lead. | | Show me a scientist who can do that. Baron Victor von Frankenstein, cretin.
From: Bret Cahill on 11 Jul 2010 14:43
> > Post some of the discoveries that are a result of yer "independent > > thinking." > Jesus turned water into wine That's only because Jesus couldn't afford a bottle of wine. |