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From: Balwinder S Dheeman on 5 Aug 2010 11:33 On 08/05/2010 02:28 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: >> On 08/04/10 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: >>>> On 08/04/10 14:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> Yup. That's what I want to try. The intel video driver is about 2 >>>>> years >>>>> behind in Debian stable, and it has 'issues' >>>>> >>>>> I want to try installing the debian experimental latest greatest intel >>>>> video driver to see if it fixes them. >>>>> >>>>> However, although I have struggled and got te more or less latest >>>>> kernels from backports going (2.6.32), (which has helped a LOT of >>>>> these >>>>> issues), I have never tried to slap an 'experimental' package into a >>>>> 'stable' setup. >>>>> >>>>> Especially not something as core as a video driver. >>>>> >>>>> So I would like any advice going, even 'DONT', as to how to put it in, >>>>> and given that I might end up with a setup that cant even run X, >>>>> how to >>>>> get it out again if it's all a Terrible Mistake. Assuming I can still >>>>> boot into single user and run the aptitude stuff. >>>>> >>>>> Answers on an nntp postcard, to here.. >>>> I installed/switched over to Debian *testing* (aka squeeze these days, >>>> release 6.0 is still due) in around 2004 and had been running it >>>> without >>>> any major problems, even on a server, since then :) >>>> >>>> OTOH, I attempted to try and, or experiment with *unstable* and, or a >>>> mix of both *testing* and *unstable*, but I found that the *unstable*, >>>> as the name says itself, and mixing are not suitable for regular use. >>>> >>>> Is better you switch over or dist-upgrade to *testing* and build or >>>> install the requite *unstable* or *experimental* driver from Debian >>>> sources, if needed. Though building one from a vanilla upstream source >>>> could also be a good option, but do look at what patches Debian people >>>> want/suggest to apply. You may skip also all or some of their patches, >>>> provided you understand well what you are doing. In a nutshell, all you >>>> need to do is back-port an *experimental* driver into *testing* :) >>>> >>> Thank you for that. Its very valuable experience. I have been able to >>> port the very latest firefox, to stable, and have it work. Although my >>> original reason for doing that (needed firefox 3 on AMD 64, to test web >>> sites against, and iceweasel was then only 2 point something, its 3.5 >>> now) have gone. >> >> You're welcome :) >> >> I use/repackage binary blobs, the Firefox is 3.6.8 and the Chromium is >> 6.0.485.0 (54861) Built on Ubuntu 9.10, running on Debian testing, here. >> >>> However in my case, with a driver, I imagine the base upon which it >>> rests is the kernel and kernel libraries only: And those are as fresh in >>> backports as in testing. Fresher I think. >> >> In *testing* linux-image-2.6 is 2.6.32+28; almost up-to-date or quite >> near to the latest; I build and use a vanilla kernel which is 2.6.34.2 >> now. >> >>> So unless there are glaring incompatibilities, I imagine I should be >>> able to port the latest and have a chance of it working. >> >> I hope so, I ported an X driver for SiS 771/671 PCIE VGA cards; though >> it is not as clean and, or up-to-date as it should be, but is working >> fine in accelerated mode for 2D graphics and I can watch live TV streams >> and, or YouTube videos in full-screen mode :) >> >> See >> http://anu.homelinux.net/git/?p=xserver-xorg-video-sis671.git;a=summary >> >>> I was more looking for information as to how to install and most >>> importantly, de-install a bit of either home compiled or experimental >>> software from the system, when its deep inside the OS. >> >> >> If build and install any software as an APT package, that would a >> cleanest and, or best way to try anything. >> >>> I note that the experimental intel video is the latest and greatest from >>> the Intel Boyz. >>> >>> And I am not sure it comes as source anyway. >>> >>> Oh. Looks like it does, but needs libdrm 2.4, whereas I only have 2.3. >>> Oh well. That's blown that up anyway.. >>> >>> Looks like I WOULD have to move up to testing to get that...sigh.. >>> >>> Nope. Not worth the potential several days getting thing back up just to >>> get rid of screen corruption on scrolling. >>> >>> Looks more like a winter job. Move to testing in toto. Or go to >>> Ubuntu :-) >> >> You need not panic and, or worry unless you have very important data on >> the disks of your machine. FYI, I have some 8 years' of mail and >> newsgroup archives, many a important documents, a music and video >> collection as well on a test workstation, which also rsync daily to a >> server as a backup. >> > > No, all my important data inc mail is on a server. twin disks rsynched. > > > The desktop machine is merely a 'view' onto it. > > The biggest amount of hassle when I rebuilt last time was trying to > remember all my online passwords that were probably in some key chain > somewhere.. Oh, seems you forget to backup or rsync (on to USB stick) $HOME/.gnupg, $HOME/.keychain, $HOME/.mozilla and $HOME/.ssl etc. -- Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709 Anu'z Linux(a)HOME (Unix Shoppe) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192 Chandigarh, UT, 160062, India Plan9, T2, Arch/Debian/FreeBSD/XP Home: http://werc.homelinux.net/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/
From: The Natural Philosopher on 5 Aug 2010 12:16
Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > On 08/05/2010 02:28 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: >>> On 08/04/10 19:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: >>>>> On 08/04/10 14:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>> Yup. That's what I want to try. The intel video driver is about 2 >>>>>> years >>>>>> behind in Debian stable, and it has 'issues' >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to try installing the debian experimental latest greatest intel >>>>>> video driver to see if it fixes them. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, although I have struggled and got te more or less latest >>>>>> kernels from backports going (2.6.32), (which has helped a LOT of >>>>>> these >>>>>> issues), I have never tried to slap an 'experimental' package into a >>>>>> 'stable' setup. >>>>>> >>>>>> Especially not something as core as a video driver. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I would like any advice going, even 'DONT', as to how to put it in, >>>>>> and given that I might end up with a setup that cant even run X, >>>>>> how to >>>>>> get it out again if it's all a Terrible Mistake. Assuming I can still >>>>>> boot into single user and run the aptitude stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> Answers on an nntp postcard, to here.. >>>>> I installed/switched over to Debian *testing* (aka squeeze these days, >>>>> release 6.0 is still due) in around 2004 and had been running it >>>>> without >>>>> any major problems, even on a server, since then :) >>>>> >>>>> OTOH, I attempted to try and, or experiment with *unstable* and, or a >>>>> mix of both *testing* and *unstable*, but I found that the *unstable*, >>>>> as the name says itself, and mixing are not suitable for regular use. >>>>> >>>>> Is better you switch over or dist-upgrade to *testing* and build or >>>>> install the requite *unstable* or *experimental* driver from Debian >>>>> sources, if needed. Though building one from a vanilla upstream source >>>>> could also be a good option, but do look at what patches Debian people >>>>> want/suggest to apply. You may skip also all or some of their patches, >>>>> provided you understand well what you are doing. In a nutshell, all you >>>>> need to do is back-port an *experimental* driver into *testing* :) >>>>> >>>> Thank you for that. Its very valuable experience. I have been able to >>>> port the very latest firefox, to stable, and have it work. Although my >>>> original reason for doing that (needed firefox 3 on AMD 64, to test web >>>> sites against, and iceweasel was then only 2 point something, its 3.5 >>>> now) have gone. >>> You're welcome :) >>> >>> I use/repackage binary blobs, the Firefox is 3.6.8 and the Chromium is >>> 6.0.485.0 (54861) Built on Ubuntu 9.10, running on Debian testing, here. >>> >>>> However in my case, with a driver, I imagine the base upon which it >>>> rests is the kernel and kernel libraries only: And those are as fresh in >>>> backports as in testing. Fresher I think. >>> In *testing* linux-image-2.6 is 2.6.32+28; almost up-to-date or quite >>> near to the latest; I build and use a vanilla kernel which is 2.6.34.2 >>> now. >>> >>>> So unless there are glaring incompatibilities, I imagine I should be >>>> able to port the latest and have a chance of it working. >>> I hope so, I ported an X driver for SiS 771/671 PCIE VGA cards; though >>> it is not as clean and, or up-to-date as it should be, but is working >>> fine in accelerated mode for 2D graphics and I can watch live TV streams >>> and, or YouTube videos in full-screen mode :) >>> >>> See >>> http://anu.homelinux.net/git/?p=xserver-xorg-video-sis671.git;a=summary >>> >>>> I was more looking for information as to how to install and most >>>> importantly, de-install a bit of either home compiled or experimental >>>> software from the system, when its deep inside the OS. >>> >>> If build and install any software as an APT package, that would a >>> cleanest and, or best way to try anything. >>> >>>> I note that the experimental intel video is the latest and greatest from >>>> the Intel Boyz. >>>> >>>> And I am not sure it comes as source anyway. >>>> >>>> Oh. Looks like it does, but needs libdrm 2.4, whereas I only have 2.3. >>>> Oh well. That's blown that up anyway.. >>>> >>>> Looks like I WOULD have to move up to testing to get that...sigh.. >>>> >>>> Nope. Not worth the potential several days getting thing back up just to >>>> get rid of screen corruption on scrolling. >>>> >>>> Looks more like a winter job. Move to testing in toto. Or go to >>>> Ubuntu :-) >>> You need not panic and, or worry unless you have very important data on >>> the disks of your machine. FYI, I have some 8 years' of mail and >>> newsgroup archives, many a important documents, a music and video >>> collection as well on a test workstation, which also rsync daily to a >>> server as a backup. >>> >> No, all my important data inc mail is on a server. twin disks rsynched. >> >> >> The desktop machine is merely a 'view' onto it. >> >> The biggest amount of hassle when I rebuilt last time was trying to >> remember all my online passwords that were probably in some key chain >> somewhere.. > > Oh, seems you forget to backup or rsync (on to USB stick) $HOME/.gnupg, > $HOME/.keychain, $HOME/.mozilla and $HOME/.ssl etc. > AHA! Is that where they are? I keep nothing in /home except config data..my REAL home is /home/server...nfs mounted.. |