From: Frank Robertson on
A&S: how do you feel about the retirement of the space shuttle
prograsm?

Musgrave: I have purely personal affection for it. I never wanted to
do that machine in the early 70s - I thought it was the wrong idea.
But American engineeering pulled it off, and it did what it did
magnificently. A lot of new technologies, new science, and new ways of
doing things in space, but at a massive cost, fragility and
vulnerability. It's had an awful long run. And everything has its
timing. The timing now is strange, when you're doing away with the
only way to get to the space station. It really is time to move on to
the next one. But it turns out we're moving on to nothing.

A&S: How do you feel about the Obama adminstration's cancellation of
the Ares/Constellation program?

Musgrave: The entire future of space policy - it's dead. It's nothing.
We need access to space in the year 2010, because the shuttle is going
away. We need access this year, so what is the response? We're going
to think about it for five years, and then make a decision. Which
means we're 15 years to getting access to space. That is not my kind
of space program.

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Also, interview, cont'd:

A&S: Who impresses you?

Musgrave: Lots of people - von Braun was one. He read science fiction.
His vision was unbelievable large. From a teenager on, he was loyal to
spaceflight. He pursued it through the doctorate in physics. The story
of him and 118 Germans coming to this country in '45, and the fact
that our moon program rested on that man's shoulders. He was a
charasmatic communicator, and presence. If you were within 100 yards
of him, you felt him.

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http://www.airspacemag.com/

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My extra note: And Wernher von Braun became a born again Christian
after he moved to the U.S. ! Something for Topaz to think about!

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further links:

http://1mmph.yolasite.com/
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http://groups.google.com/group/science-republicans?msg=new&lnk=gcis&hl=en
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http://www.icr.org/

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One more personal note: I attended a lecture by Musgrave and got his
autograph. (You can buy my fingernail clippings for $100 apiece [:-)] )
From: Frank Robertson on
On Jul 25, 10:56 pm, Frank Robertson <laisrevort...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> A&S: how do you feel about the retirement of the space shuttle
> prograsm?
>
> Musgrave: I have purely personal affection for it. I never wanted to
> do that machine in the early 70s - I thought it was the wrong idea.
> But American engineeering pulled it off, and it did what it did
> magnificently. A lot of new technologies, new science, and new ways of
> doing things in space, but at a massive cost, fragility and
> vulnerability. It's had an awful long run. And everything has its
> timing. The timing now is strange, when you're doing away with the
> only way to get to the space station. It really is time to move on to
> the next one. But it turns out we're moving on to nothing.
>
> A&S: How do you feel about the Obama adminstration's cancellation of
> the Ares/Constellation program?
>
> Musgrave: The entire future of space policy - it's dead. It's nothing.
> We need access to space in the year 2010, because the shuttle is going
> away. We need access this year, so what is the response? We're going
> to think about it for five years, and then make a decision. Which
> means we're 15 years to getting access to space. That is not my kind
> of space program.
>
> ---------------------
>
> Also, interview, cont'd:
>
> A&S: Who impresses you?
>
> Musgrave: Lots of people - von Braun was one. He read science fiction.
> His vision was unbelievable large. From a teenager on, he was loyal to
> spaceflight. He pursued it through the doctorate in physics. The story
> of him and 118 Germans coming to this country in '45, and the fact
> that our moon program rested on that man's shoulders. He was a
> charasmatic communicator, and presence.  If you were within 100 yards
> of him, you felt him.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> http://www.airspacemag.com/
>
> ---------------------------
>
> My extra note: And Wernher von Braun became a born again Christian
> after he moved to the U.S. ! Something for Topaz to think about!
>
> ----------------------------
> further links:
>
> http://1mmph.yolasite.com/
> --------------http://groups.google.com/group/science-republicans?msg=new&lnk=gcis&h...
> -------------http://www.icr.org/
>
> -----------
> One more personal note: I attended a lecture by Musgrave and got his
> autograph. (You can buy my fingernail clippings for $100 apiece [:-)] )

Note: above is an EXCERPT from interview with Air&Space Mag

From: vivapadrepio on
On Jul 25, 7:56 pm, Frank Robertson <laisrevort...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> A&S: how do you feel about the retirement of the space shuttle
> prograsm?
>
> Musgrave: I have purely personal affection for it. I never wanted to
> do that machine in the early 70s - I thought it was the wrong idea.
> But American engineeering pulled it off, and it did what it did
> magnificently. A lot of new technologies, new science, and new ways of
> doing things in space, but at a massive cost, fragility and
> vulnerability. It's had an awful long run. And everything has its
> timing. The timing now is strange, when you're doing away with the
> only way to get to the space station. It really is time to move on to
> the next one. But it turns out we're moving on to nothing.
>
> A&S: How do you feel about the Obama adminstration's cancellation of
> the Ares/Constellation program?
>
> Musgrave: The entire future of space policy - it's dead. It's nothing.
> We need access to space in the year 2010, because the shuttle is going
> away. We need access this year, so what is the response? We're going
> to think about it for five years, and then make a decision. Which
> means we're 15 years to getting access to space. That is not my kind
> of space program.
>
> ---------------------
>
> Also, interview, cont'd:
>
> A&S: Who impresses you?
>
> Musgrave: Lots of people - von Braun was one. He read science fiction.
> His vision was unbelievable large. From a teenager on, he was loyal to
> spaceflight. He pursued it through the doctorate in physics. The story
> of him and 118 Germans coming to this country in '45, and the fact
> that our moon program rested on that man's shoulders. He was a
> charasmatic communicator, and presence.  If you were within 100 yards
> of him, you felt him.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> http://www.airspacemag.com/
>
> ---------------------------
>
> My extra note: And Wernher von Braun became a born again Christian
> after he moved to the U.S. ! Something for Topaz to think about!
>
> ----------------------------
> further links:
>
> http://1mmph.yolasite.com/
> --------------http://groups.google.com/group/science-republicans?msg=new&lnk=gcis&h...
> -------------http://www.icr.org/
>
> -----------
> One more personal note: I attended a lecture by Musgrave and got his
> autograph. (You can buy my fingernail clippings for $100 apiece [:-)] )

The whole thing was a waste of time and money. No cures for cancer,
people still starving everywhere, and war is still with us.

But if you can manage to have a good time on the moon or Mars within
300 days from now, then yeah, it will have been worth it.
From: G. L. Bradford on

"Frank Robertson" <laisrevortnoc(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4ccff804-b7f2-4998-9e86-b7a3a5393ef8(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> A&S: how do you feel about the retirement of the space shuttle
> prograsm?
>
> Musgrave: I have purely personal affection for it. I never wanted to
> do that machine in the early 70s - I thought it was the wrong idea.
> But American engineeering pulled it off, and it did what it did
> magnificently. A lot of new technologies, new science, and new ways of
> doing things in space, but at a massive cost, fragility and
> vulnerability. It's had an awful long run. And everything has its
> timing. The timing now is strange, when you're doing away with the
> only way to get to the space station. It really is time to move on to
> the next one. But it turns out we're moving on to nothing.
>
> A&S: How do you feel about the Obama adminstration's cancellation of
> the Ares/Constellation program?
>
> Musgrave: The entire future of space policy - it's dead. It's nothing.
> We need access to space in the year 2010, because the shuttle is going
> away. We need access this year, so what is the response? We're going
> to think about it for five years, and then make a decision. Which
> means we're 15 years to getting access to space. That is not my kind
> of space program.
>
> ---------------------
>
> Also, interview, cont'd:
>
> A&S: Who impresses you?
>
> Musgrave: Lots of people - von Braun was one. He read science fiction.
> His vision was unbelievable large. From a teenager on, he was loyal to
> spaceflight. He pursued it through the doctorate in physics. The story
> of him and 118 Germans coming to this country in '45, and the fact
> that our moon program rested on that man's shoulders. He was a
> charasmatic communicator, and presence. If you were within 100 yards
> of him, you felt him.
>
> ---------------------------
>
> http://www.airspacemag.com/
>
> ---------------------------
>
> My extra note: And Wernher von Braun became a born again Christian
> after he moved to the U.S. ! Something for Topaz to think about!

=====================

NASA should have been deeply and continuously involved in helping to
develop and expand private enterprise access to, and occupancy of, space a
long time ago instead of becoming a certain American political group's
ideological experiment in a controlled command society's Totalitarian
Communist Republic of Space. Nothing fails so utterly and so
catastrophically as a Totalitarian State (singularly a Fascist Communist
State (One for All and All for One)).

GLB

=====================

From: Frank Robertson on
On Jul 26, 3:58 am, "G. L. Bradford" <glbra...(a)insightbb.com> wrote:
> "Frank Robertson" <laisrevort...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4ccff804-b7f2-4998-9e86-b7a3a5393ef8(a)d8g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > A&S: how do you feel about the retirement of the space shuttle
> > prograsm?
>
> > Musgrave: I have purely personal affection for it. I never wanted to
> > do that machine in the early 70s - I thought it was the wrong idea.
> > But American engineeering pulled it off, and it did what it did
> > magnificently. A lot of new technologies, new science, and new ways of
> > doing things in space, but at a massive cost, fragility and
> > vulnerability. It's had an awful long run. And everything has its
> > timing. The timing now is strange, when you're doing away with the
> > only way to get to the space station. It really is time to move on to
> > the next one. But it turns out we're moving on to nothing.
>
> > A&S: How do you feel about the Obama adminstration's cancellation of
> > the Ares/Constellation program?
>
> > Musgrave: The entire future of space policy - it's dead. It's nothing.
> > We need access to space in the year 2010, because the shuttle is going
> > away. We need access this year, so what is the response? We're going
> > to think about it for five years, and then make a decision. Which
> > means we're 15 years to getting access to space. That is not my kind
> > of space program.
>
> > ---------------------
>
> > Also, interview, cont'd:
>
> > A&S: Who impresses you?
>
> > Musgrave: Lots of people - von Braun was one. He read science fiction.
> > His vision was unbelievable large. From a teenager on, he was loyal to
> > spaceflight. He pursued it through the doctorate in physics. The story
> > of him and 118 Germans coming to this country in '45, and the fact
> > that our moon program rested on that man's shoulders. He was a
> > charasmatic communicator, and presence.  If you were within 100 yards
> > of him, you felt him.
>
> > ---------------------------
>
> >http://www.airspacemag.com/
>
> > ---------------------------
>
> > My extra note: And Wernher von Braun became a born again Christian
> > after he moved to the U.S. ! Something for Topaz to think about!
>
> =====================
>
>   NASA should have been deeply and continuously involved in helping to
> develop and expand private enterprise access to, and occupancy of, space a
> long time ago instead of becoming a certain American political group's
> ideological experiment in a controlled command society's Totalitarian
> Communist Republic of Space. Nothing fails so utterly and so
> catastrophically as a Totalitarian State (singularly a Fascist Communist
> State (One for All and All for One)).
>
> GLB
>
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You say "certain American political group." But the Apollo program
received bipartisan support. JFK started (the new, 1960's version of)
it, and Richard Nixon shook the hands of the returning lunanauts.

You say "totalitarian." Well, the USSR DID upstage us because a
DICTATORSHIP can commandeer public funds at will, without public
support. I've heard the USSR spent up to 90% of its GNP on defense
(one reason they were non-competitive, in the long run, in the attempt
at the moon). So, a huge socialist dictatorship the size of the Soviet
Union could pull off being the first into space. (The U.S. would have
beat Sputnik but Eisenhower forcibly kept von Braun's group from
launching an earlier-than-Sputnik satellite because A.) Braun's group
had a bunch of Germans and B.) von Braun was with the U.S. MILITARY,
not a civilian agency.)

But the U.S, with ITS resources (much greater than the USSR's), AND
its freely elected gov't, choose to answer the Russian prestige-
grabbing feat. SO, no totalitarianism if freely elected leaders do
something.