From: John Fields on
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:23:20 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote:

>Whenever some idiot on a science or tech tries to bluff he is more
>worthwhile than Al Gore in a dust devil, just ask him for his patent
>numbers.
>
>Inventing is no longer optional.
>
>
>Bret Cahill

---
He fancies himself an inventor,
a lover of science, a mentor.
A seeker of truth,
but it's clear from his tooth,
that he's only an abject dissenter.


JF
From: Bret Cahill on
> > > Whenever some idiot on a science or tech tries to bluff he is more
> > > worthwhile than Al Gore in a dust devil, just ask him for his patent
> > > numbers.
>
> > > Inventing is no longer optional.
>
> > > Bret Cahill
>
> > One problem for us whose work was largely on DOD contracts, the
> > government automatically owned all the work and discoveries.  Ended up
> > with zero patents when I retired.  Hope that doesn't mean my work had
> > zero value.  On the other hand, another figure of merit is list of
> > published papers.  Have a fair number of those, since there are
> > classified journals.
>
> I can relate to that. I worked for the Navy and the CIA on various
> clandestine "gadgets" over the years none of which ever got patented. I have
> one, count 'em, one patent to my name and that was for a capacitive coupling
> device that to me seemed totally obvious and unworthy of a patent. You might
> say I reinvented the capacitor! Yet the patent office granted a patent on
> it. Many patents are absurd these days, its about money, not invention and
> even a bent piece of wire may garner a patent depending on the claims. There
> are several perpetual motion patents as ridiculous as that is. There is no
> requirement that a patent works.

There just isn't all that much of an intersection between justice and
the law. Still you need to _try_ to make it work.


Bret Cahill



From: Paul E. Schoen on

"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:23:20 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
> <BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>>Whenever some idiot on a science or tech tries to bluff he is more
>>worthwhile than Al Gore in a dust devil, just ask him for his patent
>>numbers.
>>
>>Inventing is no longer optional.
>>
>>
>>Bret Cahill
>
> ---
> He fancies himself an inventor,
> a lover of science, a mentor.
> A seeker of truth,
> but it's clear from his tooth,
> that he's only an abject dissenter.

Yes, after enough out-venting, in-venting becomes necessary. Here is an
invention that addresses outventing:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5969272.html

BTW, here's mine:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4307345.html

I have designed better and more innovative devices since then. But it
usually doesn't really pay to patent ideas. The legal costs for my patent
were borne by the company I worked for, and they paid me a ceremonial $1
for it, although later they gave me a more substantial bonus.

Paul



From: Pete Verdon on
Don Stauffer wrote:

> One problem for us whose work was largely on DOD contracts, the
> government automatically owned all the work and discoveries. Ended up
> with zero patents when I retired.

The company I work for owns all my work-related ideas, but the patent
still has my name on as inventor (as distinct from owner).

Pete
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