Is HP getting serious about calculators?
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From: Wayne Brown on 4 Oct 2006 11:32 brad.barton(a)ccrtcblue.com wrote: > > I find it interesting though that you had to sign an NDA, because if > there is nothing to disclose, what's with the agreement? Is this > standard practice at all HHC get togethers, or is this a new wrinkle? It's standard practice, which is why I've refused to attend past HHC meetings and won't be attending any in the foreseeable future. (I'd be reluctant to attend a meeting to which HP is even invited, much less one where they're allowed to dictate any sort of terms.) -- Wayne Brown <fwbrown(a)bellsouth.net> (HPCC #1104) ??s ofereode, ?isses swa m?g. ("That passed away, this also can.") "Deor," from the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
From: Gene on 4 Oct 2006 11:46 Wayne Brown wrote: > brad.barton(a)ccrtcblue.com wrote: > > > > I find it interesting though that you had to sign an NDA, because if > > there is nothing to disclose, what's with the agreement? Is this > > standard practice at all HHC get togethers, or is this a new wrinkle? > > It's standard practice, which is why I've refused to attend past > HHC meetings and won't be attending any in the foreseeable future. > (I'd be reluctant to attend a meeting to which HP is even invited, > much less one where they're allowed to dictate any sort of terms.) > Wayne Brown <fwbrown(a)bellsouth.net> (HPCC #1104) Gene: Brad, yes, it is standard practice whenever HP is going to make a presentation that might include any information about future plans. It is part of the "price to be in the know" and happens everywhere. At the company where I work, visitors are asked to sign an NDA if they are anywhere they might see unreleased products. For those who don't want to sign an NDA at HHC meetings, there are options: 1) Don't attend (Hi Wayne!) :-) or 2) Visit the lobby or your hotel room for the duration of HP's presentations. There was also an "Ask HP" session where the members of the user community were able to ask anything to HP they wanted and where HP responded. Very useful and informative. HHC2007 appears to be scheduled for San Diego AND London. Two options next year! Gene
From: line446 on 4 Oct 2006 14:41 brad.barton(a)ccrtcblue.com wrote: > > I think that the introduction of the 50G is definitely a positive step, > and firm evidence that HP is beginning to see a bit of the light. But > are they just trying to clean up the 49G+ problem and let it go at > that, or is the 50G an indicator of better things to come? > I think it's just "clean up". HP went to the trouble of introducing a "new" model with a new case and coloring scheme. But there are no significant differences between the 50G and the later 49G+ models. (I don't consider USB power and a useless serial port to be significant). If HP was really serious about calculator development, wouldn't they wait until they had more substantial improvements? You can't blame them, though. As many here have pointed out, the demand for high-end calculators is nothing like it was 25 years ago. I'ts questionable whether HP would even recover the development costs of the new software that would be required to truly advance their calculator line. - Anderson > Any thoughts, hints, conjecture, evidence? > > Brad
From: Wayne Brown on 4 Oct 2006 14:53 Gene <gene.wright(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Gene: Brad, yes, it is standard practice whenever HP is going to make a > presentation that might include any information about future plans. It > is part of the "price to be in the know" and happens everywhere. At the > company where I work, visitors are asked to sign an NDA if they are > anywhere they might see unreleased products. And I don't object to an NDA request from anyone but HP. After the way HP has behaved toward its customers in the last decade or so, they should be on their hands and knees, groveling on the floor, kissing the feet of their users and begging for even the tiniest scrap of forgiveness and trust. Requiring an NDA before they'll talk to us doesn't fit very well with such an attitude. When I see HP's top management publicly admitting they've screwed their customers for years -- no matter how much their lawyers advise against such an admission -- and begging us to give them another chance even though they admit they don't deserve it -- *then* I'd *consider* giving them the same sort of concessions other companies get in matters like NDAs. Essentially, I object to the perception that HP is doing the users a favor by deigning to attend a user group meeting. As I see it, users are doing HP a huge favor by *allowing* them to attend such meetings at all. -- Wayne Brown <fwbrown(a)bellsouth.net> (HPCC #1104) ??s ofereode, ?isses swa m?g. ("That passed away, this also can.") "Deor," from the Exeter Book (folios 100r-100v)
From: Veli-Pekka Nousiainen on 4 Oct 2006 15:57
Gene wrote: > eddie_1970(a)comcast.net wrote: > >> I just >> really would like to see HP bring back the HP15c. For a new HP15c I >> would be will to pay $100 - 150. >> >> Regards, >> Eddie > > Gene: And, as has been covered in this forum many, many times, it > would cost HP much more than that to re-engineer the HP15c. Despite > the fact that it might share many common parts with the 12cp, the > machine would have to be re-engineered. Components just don't exist > any more. > > Then there's the market question...how many people will pay $150 for a > calculator without alphanumerics and with only ~400 bytes of program > space? Who sayz it has to have that little memory? I don't think that it's even possible to have that little today :-) |