Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges?
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From: RolandRB on 30 Jun 2008 02:40 Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? I hear that it is but only have to go on hearsay. I also heard that SPlus might be discontinued. Should we be moving across to R in the clinical reporting world? It would be good to read of accounts where this has been done.
From: RolandRB on 30 Jun 2008 09:30 On Jun 30, 8:40 am, RolandRB <rolandbe...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Is R overtaking SAS at universities and colleges? I hear that it is > but only have to go on hearsay. I also heard that SPlus might be > discontinued. Should we be moving across to R in the clinical > reporting world? It would be good to read of accounts where this has > been done. An email I received in reply to this is that R has overtaken SAS in colleges and universities like the race has already been run and won. I am wondering what knock-on effect this will have for the current in- house reporting systems that the pharmaceutical companies use. It is the statisticians who drive the analysis and if they are becoming "R savvy" and have useful skills with R then this may not sit well with the current sas reporting systems. If R is up to the job then I can see it replacing sas some time in the future. I've dabbled with R from time to time but I tend to learn from example and can't make the jump in my mind to using R for the sort of reports you can link to in the pps below rather than using sas macros. I wonder if it can be done. Can anyone advise? If they had R code then so much the better. http://www.datasavantconsulting.com/roland/unistats.pps
From: Peter Flom on 30 Jun 2008 09:36 RolandRB <rolandberry(a)HOTMAIL.COM> wtote >An email I received in reply to this is that R has overtaken SAS in >colleges and universities like the race has already been run and won. >I am wondering what knock-on effect this will have for the current in- >house reporting systems that the pharmaceutical companies use. It is >the statisticians who drive the analysis and if they are becoming "R >savvy" and have useful skills with R then this may not sit well with >the current sas reporting systems. If R is up to the job then I can >see it replacing sas some time in the future. I've dabbled with R from >time to time but I tend to learn from example and can't make the jump >in my mind to using R for the sort of reports you can link to in the >pps below rather than using sas macros. I wonder if it can be done. >Can anyone advise? If they had R code then so much the better. > >http://www.datasavantconsulting.com/roland/unistats.pps Roland I know almost nothing about pharma reporting, but I took a quick look at the powerpoint, and I bet that something like that could be done in R using sweave. I've not *done* anything like that, because I don't have a standard format that I need all the time, so mastering sweave hasn't been high on my list. But that's where I'd say you should look, if you want to see what R can do along these lines And, after investigating that, you might want to ask on R-help.... but only after investigating. They have a posting guide, and they get upset when people don't follow it. Peter Peter L. Flom, PhD Statistical Consultant www DOT peterflom DOT com
From: RolandRB on 30 Jun 2008 10:17 On Jun 30, 3:36 pm, peterflomconsult...(a)mindspring.com (Peter Flom) wrote: > RolandRB <rolandbe...(a)HOTMAIL.COM> wtote > > >An email I received in reply to this is that R has overtaken SAS in > >colleges and universities like the race has already been run and won. > >I am wondering what knock-on effect this will have for the current in- > >house reporting systems that the pharmaceutical companies use. It is > >the statisticians who drive the analysis and if they are becoming "R > >savvy" and have useful skills with R then this may not sit well with > >the current sas reporting systems. If R is up to the job then I can > >see it replacing sas some time in the future. I've dabbled with R from > >time to time but I tend to learn from example and can't make the jump > >in my mind to using R for the sort of reports you can link to in the > >pps below rather than using sas macros. I wonder if it can be done. > >Can anyone advise? If they had R code then so much the better. > > >http://www.datasavantconsulting.com/roland/unistats.pps > > Roland > > I know almost nothing about pharma reporting, but I took a quick look at the powerpoint, and I bet that something > like that could be done in R using sweave. I've not *done* anything like that, because I don't have a standard format > that I need all the time, so mastering sweave hasn't been high on my list.. > > But that's where I'd say you should look, if you want to see what R can do along these lines > > And, after investigating that, you might want to ask on R-help.... but only after investigating. They have a posting guide, and they get upset when people don't follow it. > > Peter > > Peter L. Flom, PhD > Statistical Consultant > www DOT peterflom DOT com That Sweave looks very interesting. And I have found the "rreports" and "hmisc" packages which might do something like in powerpoint show. And R seems extendable so maybe I could write such "packages" that can produce the reports I want. And I like Latex for the formatting I like the idea of including the code that actually runs to produce what is in the document.It seems light years ahead of the current systems for producing clinical reports. I have a feeling that in the field of clinical reporting, sas might have come to the end of the road and that R is the future. That's a bit of a shame, as I have over 20 years of intensive sas programming experience, but we have to accept that times change.
From: RolandRB on 30 Jun 2008 13:50 On Jun 30, 4:17 pm, RolandRB <rolandbe...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 30, 3:36 pm, peterflomconsult...(a)mindspring.com (Peter Flom) > wrote: > > > > > > > RolandRB <rolandbe...(a)HOTMAIL.COM> wtote > > > >An email I received in reply to this is that R has overtaken SAS in > > >colleges and universities like the race has already been run and won. > > >I am wondering what knock-on effect this will have for the current in- > > >house reporting systems that the pharmaceutical companies use. It is > > >the statisticians who drive the analysis and if they are becoming "R > > >savvy" and have useful skills with R then this may not sit well with > > >the current sas reporting systems. If R is up to the job then I can > > >see it replacing sas some time in the future. I've dabbled with R from > > >time to time but I tend to learn from example and can't make the jump > > >in my mind to using R for the sort of reports you can link to in the > > >pps below rather than using sas macros. I wonder if it can be done. > > >Can anyone advise? If they had R code then so much the better. > > > >http://www.datasavantconsulting.com/roland/unistats.pps > > > Roland > > > I know almost nothing about pharma reporting, but I took a quick look at the powerpoint, and I bet that something > > like that could be done in R using sweave. I've not *done* anything like that, because I don't have a standard format > > that I need all the time, so mastering sweave hasn't been high on my list. > > > But that's where I'd say you should look, if you want to see what R can do along these lines > > > And, after investigating that, you might want to ask on R-help.... but only after investigating. They have a posting guide, and they get upset when people don't follow it. > > > Peter > > > Peter L. Flom, PhD > > Statistical Consultant > > www DOT peterflom DOT com > > That Sweave looks very interesting. And I have found the "rreports" > and "hmisc" packages which might do something like in powerpoint show. > And R seems extendable so maybe I could write such "packages" that can > produce the reports I want. And I like Latex for the formatting I like > the idea of including the code that actually runs to produce what is > in the document.It seems light years ahead of the current systems for > producing clinical reports. > > I have a feeling that in the field of clinical reporting, sas might > have come to the end of the road and that R is the future. That's a > bit of a shame, as I have over 20 years of intensive sas programming > experience, but we have to accept that times change.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This was an interesting paper. It seems that R can be given some good tabular reporting capabilities. http://biostat.mc.vanderbilt.edu/twiki/pub/Main/Rreport/report.pdf
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