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From: Andy Hewitt on 26 Jul 2010 03:17
Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:

> Andy Hewitt <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote:
> > Elliott Roper <nospam(a)yrl.co.uk> wrote:
[..]
> > I wouldn't discount the McLaren's for a good result though, they have
> > been much better in the races than in quali. Button went from 14th to
> > 5th in the last race remember.
>
> Go on then, what did you make of it?

Well, as for the race itself, it was pretty dull by this year's
standards. I still believe they spoilt this track from it's original. It
may have been less challenging, but it was one of those nice 'classic'
tracks.

> I -hate- Ferrari. Cheating sods and have been for years. Whatever his
> boyhood dreams, time for Massa to start looking elsewhere for a job.

Yeah, I always have, they seem to have rather sneaky and backhanded ways
of doing things. In another group, it was shown that up until that silly
overtake, there was only a few thousands of a second between them, as an
average time per lap.

Mind you, with Todt in charge of the FIA now, I doubt much will come of
a hearing.

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Andy Hewitt
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From: Ian McCall on 26 Jul 2010 04:30
Andy Hewitt <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote:
>
> Mind you, with Todt in charge of the FIA now, I doubt much will come
> of
> a hearing.

Yep, there's another thing that should never have been allowed to
happen: he presided over their sneaky, cheating years and is now in
charge of judging them. Bet the overpriced FIAT outfit get off scott
free.


Cheers,
Ian
From: Elliott Roper on 26 Jul 2010 06:40
In article
<1667543946301825766.979536ian-eruvia.org(a)news.individual.net>, Ian
McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:

> Andy Hewitt <thewildrover(a)me.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mind you, with Todt in charge of the FIA now, I doubt much will come
> > of
> > a hearing.
>
> Yep, there's another thing that should never have been allowed to
> happen: he presided over their sneaky, cheating years and is now in
> charge of judging them. Bet the overpriced FIAT outfit get off scott
> free.
FIA == Ferrari International Assistance (once again after a short
break).

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From: Bruce Horrocks on 29 Jul 2010 16:41
On 26/07/2010 08:17, Andy Hewitt wrote:
>> I -hate- Ferrari. Cheating sods and have been for years. Whatever his
>> > boyhood dreams, time for Massa to start looking elsewhere for a job.
> Yeah, I always have, they seem to have rather sneaky and backhanded ways
> of doing things. In another group, it was shown that up until that silly
> overtake, there was only a few thousands of a second between them, as an
> average time per lap.

There may only have been thousandths in it but the only reason Alonso
was behind Massa was because Vettel was so desperate to block Alonso he
forgot that he was driving onto the dirty line and gave Massa a clear
run on the clean track. If it weren't for that Alonso would have led the
whole race and people would be moaning about it being a 'boring parade'
a la Schumacher years.

I don't understand why the FIA even try to ban team orders: the drivers
work for the team, not the other way around. Tough if you don't like it.
At least they didn't order Massa to crash!

--
Bruce Horrocks
Surrey
England
(bruce at scorecrow dot com)
From: Ian McCall on 30 Jul 2010 03:13
Bruce Horrocks <07.013(a)scorecrow.com> wrote:
>
> There may only have been thousandths in it but the only reason Alonso
> was behind Massa was because Vettel was so desperate to block Alonso
> he forgot that he was driving onto the dirty line and gave Massa a
> clear run on the clean track. If it weren't for that Alonso would have
> led the whole race and people would be moaning about it being a
> 'boring parade' a la Schumacher years.

Maybe so, but if Alonso reckons he's championship material this year and
so much faster, then he should have been fine for overtaking then.
Others were managing it.

> I don't understand why the FIA even try to ban team orders: the
> drivers work for the team, not the other way around. Tough if you
> don't like it. At least they didn't order Massa to crash!

Agreed and it used to be much more explicit, but then again it also used
to be legal. It isn't now, that was a blatant team order and so they're
cheating. Again.

Cheers,
Ian
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