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From: Mark Murray on 23 Jul 2010 02:35 On 23/07/2010 06:13, MichaelW wrote: > I think you have delusions of my grandeur. "You think"? :-) In Twitter, James says: "i am the last of my kind. the last great discoverer." In his "discussion" group, his latest post, entitled "But is it a life?" says <Quote> The older I get the less I believe I decided for the reasons I thought to go chasing after hard math problems, and the more I feel like I was pulled into some "destiny" the less I like the idea. Years ago when I was 25 years old, it seemed like a lark to see if I might find a simpler proof of this famous math problem with someone already getting credit for having a proof. I was looking for a second one. A nice comfortable level. A chance to play being something with low odds of succeeding. No worries with failure. I went at it though like I was serious as that's what you're to do, but things fell apart from there. Today I have more math results than I can keep up with, and I keep thinking back to "my" prime counting function. So much like a Hollywood script when my computer screen filled up with prime numbers, so unlike one when I ran into wall after wall after wall with math society. But then again, time to think, and wonder. To look in the mirror and not see anything great. Nothing at all. As the years have gone by that assessment has not changed, and while I welcome each new discovery as they are my children, my only ones, I wonder what world I brought them into, and mostly I don't have to care. My world pretends they don't exist. But they are perfect children. They existed before I was born. They do not care. They will be long after everything I know or anyone else knows, is gone. Sometimes I think that I've been given time to try and find some peace. To try and find a level. To comprehend where I am and find a way to move forward, but mostly I just wish I lived in a different world. You drink to feel better. You drink to feel safe. You drink to wish the pain would go away, and it does for a while, but then it comes back. I seem to know so many things, or at least I believe I do. But I wish I'd known better at 25. Known enough not to try. I do hate my world now. I hate so much about it. I have these fantasies, like a voice whispering in my ear: I am the last of my kind. I am the last discoverer. And it makes sense. There should be no more for humanity. The human race has done enough. James Harris </Quote> Debate with James is futile, in that he loses all semblance of rationality when his position is sufficiently undermined. Thi is a task that has been shown to be not only relatively easy, but repeatable. When James gets to this "I am the greatest!!" phase, it should be taken that he has lost the argument and the plot. His own greatness hugely exceeds the relevance of any mathematics he may have done. This is similar to the way that Nazi comparisons automatically cause loss of argument by the usual convention applied to Godwin's law. M -- Mark "No Nickname" Murray Notable nebbish, extreme generalist.
From: Arte Atem on 23 Jul 2010 11:35 "Mark Murray" <w.h.oami(a)example.com> wrote in message news:4c493812$0$28014$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk... > On 23/07/2010 06:13, MichaelW wrote: >> I think you have delusions of my grandeur. > > "You think"? :-) > > In Twitter, James says: > > "i am the last of my kind. the last great discoverer." > > In his "discussion" group, his latest post, entitled "But is it a life?" > says > > <Quote> > The older I get the less I believe I decided for the reasons I thought > to go chasing after hard math problems, and the more I feel like I was > pulled into some "destiny" the less I like the idea. Years ago when I > was 25 years old, it seemed like a lark to see if I might find a > simpler proof of this famous math problem with someone already getting > credit for having a proof. I was looking for a second one. > > A nice comfortable level. A chance to play being something with low > odds of succeeding. No worries with failure. > > I went at it though like I was serious as that's what you're to do, > but things fell apart from there. > > Today I have more math results than I can keep up with, and I keep > thinking back to "my" prime counting function. So much like a > Hollywood script when my computer screen filled up with prime numbers, > so unlike one when I ran into wall after wall after wall with math > society. But then again, time to think, and wonder. To look in the > mirror and not see anything great. Nothing at all. > > As the years have gone by that assessment has not changed, and while I > welcome each new discovery as they are my children, my only ones, I > wonder what world I brought them into, and mostly I don't have to > care. My world pretends they don't exist. > > But they are perfect children. They existed before I was born. They > do not care. They will be long after everything I know or anyone else > knows, is gone. > > Sometimes I think that I've been given time to try and find some > peace. To try and find a level. To comprehend where I am and find a > way to move forward, but mostly I just wish I lived in a different > world. > > You drink to feel better. You drink to feel safe. You drink to wish > the pain would go away, and it does for a while, but then it comes > back. > > I seem to know so many things, or at least I believe I do. But I wish > I'd known better at 25. Known enough not to try. I do hate my world > now. I hate so much about it. I have these fantasies, like a voice > whispering in my ear: I am the last of my kind. > > I am the last discoverer. > > And it makes sense. > > There should be no more for humanity. The human race has done enough. > > James Harris > </Quote> > > Debate with James is futile, in that he loses all semblance of > rationality when his position is sufficiently undermined. Thi is > a task that has been shown to be not only relatively easy, but > repeatable. > > When James gets to this "I am the greatest!!" phase, it should be > taken that he has lost the argument and the plot. His own greatness > hugely exceeds the relevance of any mathematics he may have done. > > This is similar to the way that Nazi comparisons automatically cause > loss of argument by the usual convention applied to Godwin's law. > does wine, gin or vodka cause this type of posting ? Just asking. Or is it pot? OR something else Or is it true?
From: Amy on 23 Jul 2010 12:56 "Arte Atem" <invalid(a)invalid.com> wrote in message news:i2ccsk$t80$2(a)news.albasani.net... > > "Mark Murray" <w.h.oami(a)example.com> wrote in message > news:4c493812$0$28014$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk... >> On 23/07/2010 06:13, MichaelW wrote: >>> I think you have delusions of my grandeur. >> >> "You think"? :-) >> >> In Twitter, James says: >> >> "i am the last of my kind. the last great discoverer." >> >> In his "discussion" group, his latest post, entitled "But is it a life?" >> says >> >> <Quote> >> The older I get the less I believe I decided for the reasons I thought >> to go chasing after hard math problems, and the more I feel like I was >> pulled into some "destiny" the less I like the idea. Years ago when I >> was 25 years old, it seemed like a lark to see if I might find a >> simpler proof of this famous math problem with someone already getting >> credit for having a proof. I was looking for a second one. >> >> A nice comfortable level. A chance to play being something with low >> odds of succeeding. No worries with failure. >> >> I went at it though like I was serious as that's what you're to do, >> but things fell apart from there. >> >> Today I have more math results than I can keep up with, and I keep >> thinking back to "my" prime counting function. So much like a >> Hollywood script when my computer screen filled up with prime numbers, >> so unlike one when I ran into wall after wall after wall with math >> society. But then again, time to think, and wonder. To look in the >> mirror and not see anything great. Nothing at all. >> >> As the years have gone by that assessment has not changed, and while I >> welcome each new discovery as they are my children, my only ones, I >> wonder what world I brought them into, and mostly I don't have to >> care. My world pretends they don't exist. >> >> But they are perfect children. They existed before I was born. They >> do not care. They will be long after everything I know or anyone else >> knows, is gone. >> >> Sometimes I think that I've been given time to try and find some >> peace. To try and find a level. To comprehend where I am and find a >> way to move forward, but mostly I just wish I lived in a different >> world. >> >> You drink to feel better. You drink to feel safe. You drink to wish >> the pain would go away, and it does for a while, but then it comes >> back. >> >> I seem to know so many things, or at least I believe I do. But I wish >> I'd known better at 25. Known enough not to try. I do hate my world >> now. I hate so much about it. I have these fantasies, like a voice >> whispering in my ear: I am the last of my kind. >> >> I am the last discoverer. >> >> And it makes sense. >> >> There should be no more for humanity. The human race has done enough. >> >> James Harris >> </Quote> >> >> Debate with James is futile, in that he loses all semblance of >> rationality when his position is sufficiently undermined. Thi is >> a task that has been shown to be not only relatively easy, but >> repeatable. >> >> When James gets to this "I am the greatest!!" phase, it should be >> taken that he has lost the argument and the plot. His own greatness >> hugely exceeds the relevance of any mathematics he may have done. >> >> This is similar to the way that Nazi comparisons automatically cause >> loss of argument by the usual convention applied to Godwin's law. >> > > does wine, gin or vodka cause this type of posting ? > Just asking. > Or is it pot? > OR something else > Or is it true? > I doubt it is any chemicals. He could be right, in his own mind, he may be the last discoverer.
From: Jesse F. Hughes on 23 Jul 2010 15:23 JSH <jstevh(a)gmail.com> writes: > On Jul 22, 9:10 pm, Owen Jacobson <angrybald...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2010-07-22 23:33:14 -0400, JSH said: >> >> > Your pathetic taunts mean nothing to me. I am the one who can move an >> > entire world. >> >> Put up or shut up. >> >> -o > > Childish morons. It's not kid's games here. I'm allowing > mathematicians millions of dollars in grant money. > > Millions. > > You think you have that kind of juice? To shift the world with a > simple post? Er, so your argument that you are remarkably powerful is based on the fact that mathematicians continue to get grants at the same rate as, say, a month ago? -- "But remember, as long as one human being follows the rules of mathematics, then mathematics as a human discipline survives. Right now I'm that one human being, so mathematics survives." -- James S. Harris
From: Joshua Cranmer on 23 Jul 2010 17:41
On 07/23/2010 12:41 AM, JSH wrote: > And you lie. You'll never concede. No matter what evidence. Actually, I suppose this is true, in a fashion. MichaelW has admitted that he would concede if presented a specific counterexample; since you seem to be unable or unwilling to provide examples in general, it stands to reason that you will never attempt to present one and therefore MichaelW will never concede. I have noticed, in general, that the more someone tries to pin you down to specific, unambiguous examples, the more you fudge and try to escape. Yet you continually pester us to give the kinds of examples that you yourself avoid giving. -- Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth |