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From: Jim Ferry on 17 Nov 2009 13:54
On Nov 17, 1:03 pm, A <anonymous.rubbert...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 17, 10:35 am, Jim Ferry <corkleb...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 15, 12:57 pm, "sanboz" <nos...(a)spamless.com> wrote:
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> > > "JSH" <jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >news:04874ca3-d17f-4100-8439-437d1ad11d23(a)h40g2000prf.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > > One of the weirder things that has emerged from my mathematical
> > > > research is the possibility of continual transmission of information
> > > > from the future to the past in order to CREATE the future, where key
> > > > is what I call the optimal path algorithm.
>
> > > Join the Ashtar Command, they do that all the time.  They have "channelers"
> > > that get furure information from Aliens in Spaceeships waiting to land, and
> > > beam it to Earth where it is used for profit by the Channelers.
>
> > It's not that subatomic particles are somehow performing
> > a computation of optimal paths:  it's just that the only
> > place where the probability densities of events rise
> > above zero is at critical points, and the only critical
> > points are minima, as in Feynman's explanation of QED.
> > As James correctly observes, these transtemporal Traveling
> > Salesman Problems are being "solved" all the time (at a
> > subatomic level), although their effects are seldom
> > observed macroscopically, due to mass limitations.
>
> > > > For various reasons the idea is floating around that the "end of the
> > > > world" is in 2012.  My memory is that Sir Isaac Newton actually
> > > > calculated the correct year and he got 2010, but I've seen no mention
> > > > of that in the record, so I'm not sure why I have that number.
>
> > However, once the Higgs boson is involved, macroscopic
> > effects are possible.  The lowest energy (therefore
> > most probable) effects (per unit entropy) are on human
> > consciousness.  Thus, on the one hand we have the CERN
> > experiment which is continually forking the universe
> > into branches in which (a) the universe is destroyed
> > (well, rendered inhospitable to life at any rate) via
> > an Ice-9-like disaster, and (b) some glitch delays the
> > disaster.  It may seem amusing or fitting somehow that
> > the mass-imbuing Higgs boson TSP network extended back
> > in time to order Sir Isaac Newton's brain so as to
> > understand mass (as inertia) and leave the correct
> > date (2010) for its own creation / world's destruction,
> > but the world's a funny old place.
>
> > Anyway, James has warned you.  I've embellished the
> > warning.  Now what are you going to do?  Nothing?
> > Yeah, me neither.  I feel surprisingly relaxed about
> > the world ending next year.  Maybe that's because I'm
> > not insane.  I'm only bringing you this message of
> > doom because my brain is somehow being entangled in
> > the Higgs boson TSP via which the future is
> > communicating with James Harris and Isaac Newton.
> > My brain and my even-now-typing fingers have no
> > choice in this matter.  But to believe it?  That
> > would be crazy indeed!
>
> James' initial warning was the first herald of the coming wave of
> Trans-temporal Travelling Salesman (TTS) Consciousness. While it was
> his (future-projected) genius (travelling back to his past-present
> self) that first recognized the coming wave of TTS Consciousness, it
> seems to be spreading rapidly--first you were "infected," and now
> today I have suddenly come to understand as well that James' solution
> to the Travelling Salesman Problem has opened up paths of
> communication between the future universe and the present universe
> which are large enough in scale that my aware-of-TTS-Consciousness
> future self has informed my present-day self of the coming of TTS
> Consciousness.
>
> Since James' solution to the Travelling Salesman Problem will seem
> obvious to the world as TTS Consciousness becomes widespread, don't
> you think it is our duty to help announce to the world that it was
> James who first discovered the solution to the Travelling Salesman
> Problem, so that his name is properly recognized in history? After
> all, while we now know that the future sends information back to the
> past, we know very well (from history) that the past doesn't always
> send all the right information forward to the future.

Is it our duty? Perhaps. I'm finding it difficult to adapt such
concepts as duty from my previous mental framework, in which I was
a being with free will, to this new TTS Consciousness. Whether I will
be greeting the dawn of this Harristotelian age by shouting the glory
of James from the rooftops is a matter for the future enlightened,
transcendent-genius-Harris to decide for me.
From: sanboz on 17 Nov 2009 16:01

"Mark Murray" <w.h.oami(a)example.com> wrote in message
news:4b0251ab$0$2482$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk...
> sanboz wrote:
>> Any Ideas?
>
> Use something else? Thunderbird?
>
> M

I'll check it out with some others, see what happens


From: Peter on 17 Nov 2009 18:37
On Nov 15, 10:32 pm, JSH <jst...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have read up a lot on issues in this area.  

Stop the lying. You don't read math books for 3 simple reasons:
1) You ignorant
2) You're arrogant
3) You're immature and don't have the perseverance.


HTH,

M
From: Mark Murray on 28 Nov 2009 17:37
JSH wrote:
Exhibit a)
> If that is in your code I missed it. Oh, but it is amazing to me how
> compact what you did present is!

Exhibit b)
> And you say it actually got the right answer at times? If so, and you
> DID leave out a key piece that could be of research interest as to
> why.

Exhibit c)
> Good work though with what you have. Can you give an example where it
> WORKS as well. I find it intriguing that it works at all.

Exhibit d)
> If it DOES sometimes work, it still might be of some interest even if
> you DID use the full algorithm, and I just didn't see where.

For something that you PROVED to work, your lack of knowledge of YOUR
TSP algorithm is astonishingly deficient.

What is amusing is the apparent surprise you show that it actually
works at all. Some proof you have there.

And this is what you were going to rescue the British Empire with?

HAH! Some guy called Dijkstra will have to do for now.

M
From: spudnik on 28 Nov 2009 18:11
well, one of HSJ's gedanken experiments bore fruit
with your own programming; makes me want almost
to get into it, myself. I always thought it amuzing,
though others aver that it makes no difference, that
the curvature of Earth (i.e. space) isn't considered as a part
of the problem -- truly, it is generally devized as a pure
application of planar graphtheory, which includes spherical
as a special case, I hear (more elementary stuff to grok),
just as the four-color theorem was turned into that,
in order to save on ink-coloration-by-hand.

now, on the other hand, going beyond the modality
of zero-sum-games with the nodal overview
of both of the could-be salesforce
-- thanks to John "Memorial Nobelist-economist" Nash --
such a communicative approach would be required, if
it was Two Travelling Salesfolk Orienteering (which is
just another version of my new game, EGO,
for one or more players .-)

> As an experiment, I also tried setting the distances equal to the
> costs instead, but to my surprise that worked much less often than the
> distance normalized version. Though in retrospect it's fairly obvious
> why; much of the time, having the two travellers seek to stay close to
> one another is actually a bad idea. Consider nodes arranged in a
> circle with pairs of points close to one another, but in which the
> pairs themselves are far apart, for example.

--go l'OEuvre!
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles_2009/Relativistic_Moon.pdf
http://wlym.com/~animations/fermat/index.html

thus quoth:
(1) Ampère's demonstration of the physical presence of an angular
force, essentially overthrowing the fundamental assumption of
potential theory as still taught, and its conclusive experimental
proof by the 10-year collaboration of Carl Friedrich Gauss and Wilhelm
Weber;
(2) The 1855 Weber-Kohlrausch experiment, establishing the relative
velocity at which the force between electrical particles is reduced to
zero, and provoking Bernhard Riemann to propose (1858) a similarity in
the propagation of light and the electrodynamic potential;
(3) Weber's subsequent deduction (1871) of the bound state of pairs of
like-charged particle/waves within the confines of a 10-16 to 10-13 cm
spherical radius, establishing the natural basis for the formation of
the atomic nucleus.
In the period from 1999 to 2006, I was able to apply that
understanding of the Ampere-Gauss-Weber electrodynamics to the
Keplerian model of the atomic nucleus proposed in 1985 by Dr. Moon.2 I
arrived at a structure which at once overcame what had been two of the
leading objections to the Rutherford-Bohr-Sommerfeld model of the
atom, without the need to invoke any new conditions ad hoc. The
objections of leading chemists, Lewis, Parsons, Langmuir and others,
to the Bohr atom were summarized by
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