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From: JSH on 19 Jun 2010 21:47
On Jun 19, 4:39 pm, Mark Murray <w.h.o...(a)example.com> wrote:
> On 20/06/2010 00:26, JSH wrote:
>
> > Ultimately, mathematics is about what works and what works does not
> > need the individual.
>
> Why is evidence of actual USE of your work so very hard to find
> (and I'm not referring to readership statistics)?

What would you consider evidence?

> > The individual discoverer to a large extent is irrelevant.
>
> Then why do you obsess so consistently about fame and celebrityhood?

The average life expectancy of a celebrity is 58 years old. Celebrity
death stories may be entertainment to you, but to someone seriously
contemplating being famous, they are not.

In the abstract the idea of getting famous may sound like so much fun--
unless it's staring you in the face as an actual possibility.

Better to be prepared.

I use Usenet as I always do, testing things out.

> Also, why do you take it so very personally when faults are found
> in your work?

I don't.

You see reality through your own perception.

Look again.


James Harris
From: David R Tribble on 19 Jun 2010 22:45
JSH wrote:
>> It dominates across web searches and takes the entire top 10 in
>> Google. THAT is a crushing domination for an idea.
>

Joshua Cranmer wrote:
> No. Crushing domination is your idea being repeated by other people as a
> good idea. If your own work is taking the top 10, that simply means that
> no one else is repeating it, so you probably have a not-heavily
> looked-for keyword.

Yep. It's nice to know, for example, that my little reference
page "Incompatibilities Between ISO C and ISO C++" has been
useful to enough people on the web to garner several hundred
hits on Google, and my page is not even in the top 10 itself.
It's been referenced on sites all over the globe, including
Bjarne Stroustrup's home page and as a citation on Wikipedia,
and even appears to have been translated into a few other
languages.

Those are the sorts of indications of "useful" that a person can
actually appreciate.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cdiffs.htm

-drt
From: Joshua Cranmer on 19 Jun 2010 23:10
On 06/19/2010 09:47 PM, JSH wrote:
> On Jun 19, 4:39 pm, Mark Murray<w.h.o...(a)example.com> wrote:
>> Why is evidence of actual USE of your work so very hard to find
>> (and I'm not referring to readership statistics)?
>
> What would you consider evidence?

I would say, perhaps, someone citing it in a paper or report. Citations
are the standard metric for worthiness of a result.

> The average life expectancy of a celebrity is 58 years old. Celebrity
> death stories may be entertainment to you, but to someone seriously
> contemplating being famous, they are not.

In the middle ages, the life expectancy was 25-30. Does that mean that
people would expect to live to be 25? No! If you got past childhood,
50-60 was a much more common age to attain. Life expectancy is a rather
biased metric of health: a society where half the population lives to be
100 and the other half lives to be 10 has the same life expectancy as
one where everyone lives to be 55.

>> Also, why do you take it so very personally when faults are found
>> in your work?
>
> I don't.

You sure could have fooled us...

--
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not
tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth
From: Jesse F. Hughes on 19 Jun 2010 23:33
Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18(a)verizon.invalid> writes:

> On 06/19/2010 09:47 PM, JSH wrote:
>> On Jun 19, 4:39 pm, Mark Murray<w.h.o...(a)example.com> wrote:
>>> Why is evidence of actual USE of your work so very hard to find
>>> (and I'm not referring to readership statistics)?
>>
>> What would you consider evidence?
>
> I would say, perhaps, someone citing it in a paper or report. Citations
> are the standard metric for worthiness of a result.

Let's make it easier. Any positive mention in an online source?

--
Jesse F. Hughes
"That's the base tautological space where by tautological space I mean
a region of truth." -- James S. Harris does philosophy of mathematics.
JSH is a renaissance man.
From: Mark Murray on 20 Jun 2010 05:29
On 20/06/2010 02:47, JSH wrote:
> On Jun 19, 4:39 pm, Mark Murray<w.h.o...(a)example.com> wrote:
>> On 20/06/2010 00:26, JSH wrote:
>>
>>> Ultimately, mathematics is about what works and what works does not
>>> need the individual.
>>
>> Why is evidence of actual USE of your work so very hard to find
>> (and I'm not referring to readership statistics)?
>
> What would you consider evidence?

Citations, positive feedback on the various fora that you use.
news reports (if your grandiose claims ever pan out). Etc.

>>> The individual discoverer to a large extent is irrelevant.
>>
>> Then why do you obsess so consistently about fame and celebrityhood?
>
> The average life expectancy of a celebrity is 58 years old. Celebrity
> death stories may be entertainment to you, but to someone seriously
> contemplating being famous, they are not.

Riiiiight. With reasoning like that, no wonder you're confused.

Example; how does that break down? Is that expectancy skewed by
a category to which you don't belong, like "drug-using rock stars"?
What is the expectancy for the category to which you DO belong?

> In the abstract the idea of getting famous may sound like so much fun--
> unless it's staring you in the face as an actual possibility.
>
> Better to be prepared.
>
> I use Usenet as I always do, testing things out.

You use Usenet to argue, NOT to test. That's what you've said in the
last 3 days.

>> Also, why do you take it so very personally when faults are found
>> in your work?
>
> I don't.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.math.undergrad/browse_thread/thread/53959dcc6c762172/3371489935678d59?q=#3371489935678d59

> You see reality through your own perception.
>
> Look again.

OK; how about the discussion at

http://www.scribd.com/doc/26500694/Prime-Residue-Axiom

M
--
Mark "No Nickname" Murray
Notable nebbish, extreme generalist.
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