Kaspersky anti-virus for Mac
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From: Andy Hewitt on 22 Apr 2010 12:02 Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 2010-04-22 15:52:48 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh said: [..] > > At least Kaspersky is a decent choice, unlike the shiteware that > > Natwest is foisting on people (which I've forgotten the name of), > > doesn't actually trash your Mac and render it completely useless. > > Do you mean the shiteware that is Trusteer Rapport? That's the one HSBC are using now too. At least they're trying I guess. -- Andy Hewitt <http://web.me.com/andrewhewitt1/>
From: Chris Ridd on 22 Apr 2010 12:21 On 2010-04-22 17:02:59 +0100, Andy Hewitt said: > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> On 2010-04-22 15:52:48 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh said: > > [..] >>> At least Kaspersky is a decent choice, unlike the shiteware that >>> Natwest is foisting on people (which I've forgotten the name of), >>> doesn't actually trash your Mac and render it completely useless. >> >> Do you mean the shiteware that is Trusteer Rapport? > > That's the one HSBC are using now too. At least they're trying I guess. To make you responsible for their security problems, yes. -- Chris
From: David Pitt on 22 Apr 2010 12:32 thewildrover(a)me.com (Andy Hewitt) wrote: > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > > > On 2010-04-22 15:52:48 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh said: > > [..] > > > At least Kaspersky is a decent choice, unlike the shiteware that > > > Natwest is foisting on people (which I've forgotten the name of), > > > doesn't actually trash your Mac and render it completely useless. > > > > Do you mean the shiteware that is Trusteer Rapport? > > That's the one HSBC are using now too. At least they're trying I guess. I am sure there is shite involved somewhere but I am sure where that shite in fact lurks. I do have Trusteer Rapport running with Safari on my iMac, it is not shite in the sense that it destroys, trashes or otherwise messes up the Mac, it sits there as good as gold, no obvious shite there then. The concept of Trusteer Rapport apport may or not be shite, I wouldn't know. I feel I would definitely be in the shite in the event of fraud and I had to say to HSBC that I was not using Trusteer Rapport as they recommend. -- David Pitt
From: Chris Ridd on 22 Apr 2010 12:47 On 2010-04-22 17:32:45 +0100, David Pitt said: > thewildrover(a)me.com (Andy Hewitt) wrote: > >> Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2010-04-22 15:52:48 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh said: >> >> [..] >>>> At least Kaspersky is a decent choice, unlike the shiteware that >>>> Natwest is foisting on people (which I've forgotten the name of), >>>> doesn't actually trash your Mac and render it completely useless. >>> >>> Do you mean the shiteware that is Trusteer Rapport? >> >> That's the one HSBC are using now too. At least they're trying I guess. > > I am sure there is shite involved somewhere but I am sure where that shite > in fact lurks. So you haven't read about it then? > I do have Trusteer Rapport running with Safari on my iMac, it is not shite > in the sense that it destroys, trashes or otherwise messes up the Mac, it > sits there as good as gold, no obvious shite there then. > > The concept of Trusteer Rapport apport may or not be shite, I wouldn't know. They *appear* to be selling what's called snake oil. ie software that pretends to add security, but doesn't, and is thus considered to be untrustworthy. Getting some evidence that it does actually do what they claim would be a good idea, and there are very widely accepted standards for all this. > I feel I would definitely be in the shite in the event of fraud and I had to > say to HSBC that I was not using Trusteer Rapport as they recommend. That's true! -- Chris
From: David Pitt on 22 Apr 2010 13:43
Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 2010-04-22 17:32:45 +0100, David Pitt said: > > > thewildrover(a)me.com (Andy Hewitt) wrote: > > > > > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> > > > > On 2010-04-22 15:52:48 +0100, Jaimie Vandenbergh said: > >> > > > [..] > > > > > At least Kaspersky is a decent choice, unlike the shiteware that > > > > > Natwest is foisting on people (which I've forgotten the name of), > > > > > doesn't actually trash your Mac and render it completely useless. > >>> > > > > Do you mean the shiteware that is Trusteer Rapport? > >> > > > That's the one HSBC are using now too. At least they're trying I > > > guess. > > > > I am sure there is shite involved somewhere but I am sure where that > > shite in fact lurks. > > So you haven't read about it then? I certainly have. I did google before installing Trusteer and did see the "snake oil" allegation (or rant?), eg:- http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/12/snake-oil-legitimate-vendors-s.html And there is plenty more in that vein. > > I do have Trusteer Rapport running with Safari on my iMac, it is not > > shite in the sense that it destroys, trashes or otherwise messes up the > > Mac, it sits there as good as gold, no obvious shite there then. > > > > The concept of Trusteer Rapport apport may or not be shite, I wouldn't > > know. > > They *appear* to be selling what's called snake oil. ie software that > pretends to add security, but doesn't, and is thus considered to be > untrustworthy. It may *appear* to some to be snake oil, but that is not certainty. Would a bank be sufficiently cynical to peddle 'snake oil' to shovel responsibilities onto their customers? Actually I would not be too confident about answering that one. I remain resolutely in 'don't know' mode. And it doesn't matter for the reason given below. [snip] > > I feel I would definitely be in the shite in the event of fraud and I > > had to say to HSBC that I was not using Trusteer Rapport as they > > recommend. > > That's true! -- David Pitt |