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From: bert on 13 Aug 2010 17:32
On Aug 12, 6:54 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 3:05 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
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> > On Aug 12, 1:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 12, 8:57 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > > On Aug 11, 4:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Aug 11, 2:26 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Aug 9, 10:24 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:42 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:16 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse  would mean there is no more gravity for energy
> > > > > > > > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would
> > > > > > > > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole.
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> > > > > > > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get
> > > > > > > > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole
> > > > > > > > > > > itself.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
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> > > > > > > > > > Get it right  Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity
> > > > > > > > > > force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen   TreBert
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> > > > > > > > > If there is even greater gravity inside the theory says you reach
> > > > > > > > > light speed at the event horizon then gravity would propel energy
> > > > > > > > > faster than light. Even reaching light speed is a violation of SR
> > > > > > > > > motion laws. So black holes are disproved by violating the motion law
> > > > > > > > > of Einstein.
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> > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
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> > > > > > > > the matenergy gets bended at the even horizon and
> > > > > > > > then chew up as it falls deeper and deeper, then,
> > > > > > > > at the breaking barrier stage, everything
> > > > > > > > turns into electromagnetic waves at c
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> > > > > > > Matter falling at light speed violates the motion laws of Special
> > > > > > > Relativity.
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> > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
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> > > > > > that matter becomes light (and other not visible waves)
> > > > > > that light gets swallowed by the black hole so it escapes our
> > > > > > spacetime and we can't see it
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> > > > > Where did Einstein say matter could become light because of gravity?
> > > > > General Relativity does not say so. That is your excuse for science.
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> > > > Oh Burt, you still need to learn a lot but you r getting better.
> > > > where does he say that?
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> > > > e=mc^2
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> > > That doesn't involove gravity.
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> > > Mitch Raemsch
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> > > > gravity can be better than all cyclotrons together
> > > > converting matter into energy.
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> > Kip Thorne was big on "worm holes" He went where others were afraid to
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> Wormholes are a bunk idea. A correct interpretation of GR does not
> even predict them.
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> There are no gravity wells just curved space where gravity geoemetry
> passes through itself in a multibody gravity system.
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GR does not fit in quaNTUM REALM wORMHOLES go with Planck time and
energy,where GR breaks down. TreBert
From: BURT on 13 Aug 2010 18:48
On Aug 13, 2:32 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
> On Aug 12, 6:54 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Aug 12, 3:05 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
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> > > On Aug 12, 1:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Aug 12, 8:57 am, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > > > On Aug 11, 4:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Aug 11, 2:26 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > > > > > On Aug 9, 10:24 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > On Aug 8, 2:42 pm, Raymond Yohros <b...(a)birdband.net> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:29 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:16 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 11:13 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kip Thorne's excuse  would mean there is no more gravity for energy
> > > > > > > > > > > > once inside the event horizon. Otherwise the gravity inside would
> > > > > > > > > > > > propel energy faster than light in the black hole.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > The only way to make black holes work by Kip Thorne's excuse to get
> > > > > > > > > > > > rid of gravity and its action on energy when inside the black hole
> > > > > > > > > > > > itself.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Get it right  Inside a black hole nothing can overcome the gravity
> > > > > > > > > > > force. (no escape velosity).That is why it can't be seen   TreBert
>
> > > > > > > > > > If there is even greater gravity inside the theory says you reach
> > > > > > > > > > light speed at the event horizon then gravity would propel energy
> > > > > > > > > > faster than light. Even reaching light speed is a violation of SR
> > > > > > > > > > motion laws. So black holes are disproved by violating the motion law
> > > > > > > > > > of Einstein.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > > > > > the matenergy gets bended at the even horizon and
> > > > > > > > > then chew up as it falls deeper and deeper, then,
> > > > > > > > > at the breaking barrier stage, everything
> > > > > > > > > turns into electromagnetic waves at c
>
> > > > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > > > > Matter falling at light speed violates the motion laws of Special
> > > > > > > > Relativity.
>
> > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > > > that matter becomes light (and other not visible waves)
> > > > > > > that light gets swallowed by the black hole so it escapes our
> > > > > > > spacetime and we can't see it
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> > > > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > > > > Where did Einstein say matter could become light because of gravity?
> > > > > > General Relativity does not say so. That is your excuse for science.
>
> > > > > Oh Burt, you still need to learn a lot but you r getting better.
> > > > > where does he say that?
>
> > > > > e=mc^2
>
> > > > That doesn't involove gravity.
>
> > > > Mitch Raemsch
>
> > > > > gravity can be better than all cyclotrons together
> > > > > converting matter into energy.
>
> > > > > r.y- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > - Show quoted text -
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> > > Kip Thorne was big on "worm holes" He went where others were afraid to
> > > go.  TreBert- Hide quoted text -
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> > > - Show quoted text -
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> > Wormholes are a bunk idea. A correct interpretation of GR does not
> > even predict them.
>
> > There are no gravity wells just curved space where gravity geoemetry
> > passes through itself in a multibody gravity system.
>
> > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text -
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> GR does not fit in quaNTUM REALM  wORMHOLES go with Planck time and
> energy,where GR breaks down.  TreBert- Hide quoted text -
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Where GR breaks down it is wrong. There are no black holes.
Curved space cannot provide a bridge in distance.

Mitch Raemsch
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