From: PeterD on
On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:10:40 -0400, Meat Plow wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:46:35 -0700, David Nebenzahl
><nobody(a)but.us.chickens>wrote:
>
>>On 4/21/2010 12:40 PM Meat Plow spake thus:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:18:03 -0700, David Nebenzahl
>>> <nobody(a)but.us.chickens>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Question is about a Kyocera R-851 receiver, ca. 1985, 85
>>>> w./channel. Unit is in fine condition (many capacitators have been
>>>> replaced) except for one thing: it doesn't remember radio stations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This receiver has 7 "presets" each for AM and FM. These can be set,
>>>> and the unit will remember them so long as the power is on. Leave
>>>> it overnight and the settings are gone.
>>>>
>>>> I'm ASSuming that these are stored in memory that may have battery
>>>> backing. Opening the unit reveals no such battery/cell.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know enough about this unit to tell me what the likely
>>>> culprit is here? Any links to schematics?
>>>>
>>>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Well that's why, the battery is missing!
>>
>>D'oh! I knew it.
>>
>>Alright, now, any *serious* answers?
>
>
>Sorry couldn't help myself. A schematic would help find what
>keeps the volatile RAM powered up during off time or power failures.
>
>A "super cap" may not last long in 1985 circuitry. They tended to use
>rechargable nicads back then like the 3.3v button cell battery pack I
>just replaced in a mid-80's Peavey guitar effects processor that loads
>into writable memory a patch list pulled from NVRAM when reset to
>factory patches.
>
>Get some light and inspect it closely if you haven't. It may have a
>super cap depending on how long they designed it to be powered down.

Also look for a square/rectangular box like thing, about 3/4" x 1 inch
usually black in color.
From: Cydrome Leader on
In sci.electronics.repair William R. Walsh <wm_walsh(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> Does anyone know enough about this unit to tell me what the likely
>> culprit is here? Any links to schematics?
>
> Well, I'd wonder if there is a battery compartment on the unit
> anywhere. Not trying to be disrespectful or anything, just saying that
> a lot of older equipment used conventional batteries (AA/AAA cells) to
> keep the memory running.
>
> I have a Pioneer SX-5 stereo receiver that uses two AA batteries.
> Lifetime seems to be around a year or so.
>
> William

hillarious. I was just about to mention that stereo when AA batteries were
mentioned.

do you know what the weird "AM stereo" RCA jack on the back is for?
From: Cydrome Leader on
William R. Walsh <wm_walsh(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> A "super cap" may not last long in 1985 circuitry.
>
> Dunno. I've got a Fisher tuner based on a Toshiba chipset (a 4-bit
> microcontroller with integrated memory and a separate display driver)
> that uses a supercap to keep the memory running.

Does is seem pretty common for those older supercaps to leak what looks
like machine oil?
From: William Sommerwerck on
> Do you know what the weird "AM stereo" RCA jack
> on the back is for?

It's likely for a stereo AM adapter.