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From: 0junk4me on 9 Dec 2008 07:02 On 2008-12-08 foodsteaks(a)linkline.com said: >> > In large venues in the U.S (arena's, stadiums, sheds, convention >> > halls, large ballrooms, etc.), you are not allowed to tie into >>the > house power *at all* even with a dedicated panel for audio >>(company > switch), with or without connectors (i.e. Camloks). >>The actual > connection is always done by a union electrician >>contracted by the > venue. THe above left intact because it's relevant to my comments later. >> And you call us Europeans Socialists ? >I call them no such thing. NOr do I. BUt I guess stereotype bullshit works both ways. NOw instead of the juvenile name calling we address a couple of issues. #1. even if the Plug & play type connectors found in eUrope were avilable here, chances are good the venues would still insist on the licensed electrician. IF I plug in using Ceeform or other such "plug 'n play" connection schemes and start a fire, the venue might be sol when it comes to collecting on their insurance, and I might be gone like a puff of smoke. IF otoh the venue's "licensed" electrician makes the connections and something happens, he or his company are bonded. INsurance companies are as much a reason for this as the unions over on this side of the pond. Between your insurance underwriter and the union reps they got you in a situation where you'll just hire the guy and be done with it. #2. I'd still like to see something such as these adopted over here. After all, most electricians being men, and more men than women happen to be color blind. Hence my tails are well marked using two different methods. until that happens, I"l work with the status quo. Richard webb, replace anything before at with elspider "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --- Benjamin Franklin, NOvember 1755 from the Historical review of Pennsylvania
From: Eeyore on 9 Dec 2008 20:27 Rupert wrote: > Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Rupert wrote: > > > In large venues in the U.S (arena's, stadiums, sheds, convention > > > halls, large ballrooms, etc.), you are not allowed to tie into the > > > house power *at all* even with a dedicated panel for audio (company > > > switch), with or without connectors (i.e. Camloks). The actual > > > connection is always done by a union electrician contracted by the > > > venue. > > > > And you call us Europeans Socialists ? > > > > Bwahahahahahahahhahahahha > > I call them no such thing. I'm pleased to hear that but you'd be amazed how many others do. Need I mention the UAW too ? We wouldn't have any of their nonsense here. Being paid to play cards ? Unbelievable. Graham
From: Phildo on 13 Dec 2008 20:38 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:49317A54.6F1746D(a)hotmail.com... > > > liquidator wrote: > >> We still ain't gonna change to your standaard. >> Period. > > You've already started or else you'll not be able to sell goods worlwide. The US will never change their supply voltage. It would cost too much to change over the infrastructure. You are nuts for thinking otherwise Eyesore. Of course they can sell their goods. They just make models for export than run on different supply voltages. Phildo
From: Phildo on 13 Dec 2008 20:52 "George's Pro Sound Company" <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:XYOdnS8o0YAOxqzUnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > > "gwatts" <gwatts(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message > news:oycYk.3847$5L3.1154(a)newsfe09.iad... >> Eeyore wrote: >>> >>> George's Pro Sound Company wrote: >>> >>>> normally there are no connecters, everything is a hard tie in beytween >>>> me and the venue >>> >>> Totally avoidable with IEC 60309 connectors. >>> http://www.mkelectric.co.uk/PDF/technical/COMMANDO_prod.pdf >>> >>> Impossible to mis-mate different voltages. Available in splashproof and >>> watertight version. Single and 3 phase. >> >> and godawful expensive. >> >> We use tails tied in to a disconnect switch a/k/a 'Company box' and >> occasionally camlocks because that's what the insurance companies let us >> do in the delicate balance between safety and cost. It takes about 15 >> minutes to tie in tails and usually the promoter pays an electrician to >> do it. I check voltages before I switch on and it works just fine. >> >> Red Rocks Amphitheater west of Denver has camlocks at switches in the >> wings, and more than just a few-100 amps available. We had power to our >> motors before the first truck was half unloaded and left the power feeder >> on the reel. >> >>> >>> Note the 240V 125A connector ( 30 kW). >>> >>> Graham >>> >> >> If I had a big, portable distribution panel that I frequently hauled out >> into a hotel ballroom or convention hall I could see using an IEC60309, >> and I've seen a few of 'em in the US, but they usually have an adapter >> that ends in camlocks, if they don't have camlocks in the first place. > > Camlocs and tails is how its done. from county fairs to festivals to one > off at the college multi use room > if you want to recreate the world eyesore be at it > but your tilting at windmills, as is par for the course with you Eyesore is just showing that he has no real world experience of gigging or touring. He's your typical design engineer who has no clue how things are done out in the field yet thinks he knows everything. It's easy to see when a piece of kit has been designed by someone who actually does the job because the design is practical, efficient and does what it is supposed to. Designers are very good at thinking up ideas for those whizz-bang extra features but most of the time these never get used anyway, the gear is more often than not a pain to use and/or fix in the field and any end-user feedback is wasted because designers are often arrogant egomaniacs who think they know better. Eyesore is a prime example. He should look at a real designer who actually understands the job like Carey from A&H who listens to user feedback, takes comments on board, makes himself available to customers, actually uses the gear in the field and is always looking for ways to improve things for the end-user. Phildo
From: George's Pro Sound Company on 14 Dec 2008 20:26
.. Eyesore is a prime example. He should look at a real > designer who actually understands the job like Carey from A&H who listens > to user feedback, takes comments on board, makes himself available to > customers, actually uses the gear in the field and is always looking for > ways to improve things for the end-user. > > Phildo I agree A&H has come long way from the dreadful GL2/3 series and last I knew A&H was still a viable business , unlike studiomaster or cadac george |