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From: mpc755 on 20 Feb 2010 16:21 On Feb 20, 2:10 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 20, 1:46 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 10:09 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 20, 1:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 18, 7:10 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 18, 1:08 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The gravity field moves when mass moves. Gravity changes are less than > > > > > > light speed because matter moves slow carrying the fields with it. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > When did the gravity start? > > > > > > Has mass ever changed? > > > > > > Perhaps gravity is continuous and instantaneous. > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > The pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive objects > > > > is gravity. > > > > Correction: > > > > In AD, the pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive > > > objects is gravity. > > > That's still hard for me to follow, so for now I'll just take your > > word for it. > > > Doesn't pressure tend to always equalize? > > > ~ BG > > If you throw a bowling ball into the ocean and the pressure > 'equalizes' and you pull the bowling ball out of the ocean is a void > left behind where the bowling ball had been? Even if you consider the > pressure against the bowling ball to equalize there is still pressure > against the bowling ball. > > I see pressure associated with aether displacement to be analogous to > hydrostatic pressure. The deeper on object is in the ocean the more > hydrostatic pressure there is exerted on the object. The difference > between water and aether is the more massive an object is per volume > the less aether it contains the more aether it displaces the more > pressure there is associate with the displaced aether. You have three bowling balls. Bowling ball #1 is a regular bowling ball. Bowling ball #2 is a bowling ball where half of the bowling ball consists of holes drilled through it and 'bowling ball' #3 consists only of a thin hard plastic outer shell with half the shell consisting of holes. Bowling ball #1 is the most massive, followed by bowling ball #2 and 'bowling ball' #3 is the least massive. Place the three bowling balls one at a time into a tub of water. Bowling ball #1 will displace the most water because it will contain the least amount water. Bowling ball #2 will displace less water than bowling ball #1 and will displace more water than 'bowling ball' #3. 'Bowling ball' #3 displaces the lest amount of water. There will be the most displaced water applying pressure towards bowling ball #1. There will be the least amount of water displaced applying pressure towards 'bowling ball' #3. The pressure exerted by the water towards bowling ball #1 will be the greatest, followed by the pressure exerted by the water towards bowling ball #2 and finally, the least amount of water pressure will be exerted towards bowling ball #3. The pressure associated with the water displaced by bowling ball #1 will be the greatest and the pressure associated with the water displaced by bowling ball #3 will be the least.
From: mpc755 on 20 Feb 2010 17:05 On Feb 20, 4:06 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 20, 11:10 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 1:46 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 20, 10:09 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 1:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 18, 7:10 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 1:08 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > The gravity field moves when mass moves. Gravity changes are less than > > > > > > > light speed because matter moves slow carrying the fields with it. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > When did the gravity start? > > > > > > > Has mass ever changed? > > > > > > > Perhaps gravity is continuous and instantaneous. > > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > > The pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive objects > > > > > is gravity. > > > > > Correction: > > > > > In AD, the pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive > > > > objects is gravity. > > > > That's still hard for me to follow, so for now I'll just take your > > > word for it. > > > > Doesn't pressure tend to always equalize? > > > > ~ BG > > > If you throw a bowling ball into the ocean and the pressure > > 'equalizes' and you pull the bowling ball out of the ocean is a void > > left behind where the bowling ball had been? Even if you consider the > > pressure against the bowling ball to equalize there is still pressure > > against the bowling ball. > > > I see pressure associated with aether displacement to be analogous to > > hydrostatic pressure. The deeper on object is in the ocean the more > > hydrostatic pressure there is exerted on the object. The difference > > between water and aether is the more massive an object is per volume > > the less aether it contains the more aether it displaces the more > > pressure there is associate with the displaced aether. > > That's a little better analogy, but it still needs work. > > The pressure at one atom of hydrogen per m3 isn't all that much, > whereas eventually that bowling ball is going to outgas or vaporize > unless there's a sufficient molecular or strong-force bond taking > place, because self-gravity alone simply isn't going to cut it. > > ~ BG I am not discussing the molecular or strong-force bond. I am discussing the aether which is physically displaced by the nuclei occupying the three dimensional space where the nuclei exists which would otherwise be occupied by aether. When you get a bunch of nuclei close together the aether each nuclei displaces extends past the other nuclei pushing the nuclei closer together. The molecular bonds allow for there to still exist aether between the nuclei. I do not know what allows for there to be aether between the nuclei but I think a black hole is what occurs when all of the aether which existed between the nuclei in the matter is displaced.
From: BURT on 20 Feb 2010 17:40 On Feb 18, 9:30 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 18, 8:34 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 7:26 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 18, 10:21 pm, "Peter Webb" > > > > <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > "mpc755" <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:fdf74670-8b35-4cbb-87bf-0b7b6ce4e4c2(a)b7g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Feb 18, 9:29 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Black holes are determined by whether an object's mass is > > > > > > > > > contained > > > > > > > > > within its Schwarzschild radius, not by how dense it is. r_s = > > > > > > > > > 2Gm/ > > > > > > > > > c^2. If the solar system had the density of water, it would be a > > > > > > > > > black hole. > > > > > > > > > > Double-A > > > > > > > > > If the mass of an object is contained within a certain radius, > > > > > > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > that make it more dense than if the mass extends outside of the > > > > > > > > radius? > > > > > > > > Large masses have large Schwarzschild radii. As a mass gets larger, > > > > > > > the density required for it to fit within its S. radius gets less. > > > > > > > > Double-A > > > > > > > "The Schwarzschild radius (sometimes historically referred to as the > > > > > > gravitational radius) is a characteristic radius associated with every > > > > > > quantity of mass. It is the radius of a sphere in space, that if > > > > > > containing a correspondingly sufficient amount of mass (and therefore, > > > > > > reaches a certain density)..." - wikipedia > > > > > > > Seems like density matters. What I am asking is if you have a certain > > > > > > amount of mass within the Schwarzchild radius which causes the mass to > > > > > > become a black hole, if that same mass occupies 10 times the space of > > > > > > its Schwarzchild radius then it will not become a black hole. So, the > > > > > > overall density of a certain amount of mass matters when determining > > > > > > if it will become a black hole or not, correct? > > > > > > It really doesn't require all that much density for something the size > > > > > of Earth to have a surface gravity force that's greater than 300,000 > > > > > km/sec. I think 1.7e8 g/cm3 would do the trick. > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > The original response I am responding to stated: > > > > > "Black holes are determined by whether an object's mass is contained > > > > within its Schwarzschild radius, not by how dense it is." > > > > > What I am saying is the density must matter. If the same mass is not > > > > contained within its Schwarzchild radius, if in fact that same amount > > > > of mass is spread out over 100 times its Schwarzchild radius it will > > > > not become a black hole because the matter which is the mass is less > > > > dense. > > > > > _______________________________ > > > > No, density doesn't determine if an object is a black hole. Black holes can > > > > be as dense (or denser) than neutron stars, or less dense than the earth's > > > > atmosphere. What determines if an object is a black hole is whether its mass > > > > is contained in its Schwarzschild radius. > > > > If its mass is not contained in its Schwarzchild radius then it is not > > > a black hole because it is less dense. > > > > > (I am assuming a non-rotating > > > > black hole, as Schwarzschild did in his original paper. The solution of GR > > > > for rotating black holes came later). > > > > > Given that you do not understand the mathematics of black holes, you > > > > shouldn't really be trying to tell people who do what the equations say.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Point mass is infinitely dense or concentrated C squared energy. This > > is a fundamental particle core.. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > An electron or a positron qualifies as a black hole. > > ~ BG- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There is no anti matter. There is no opposite for the strong force or gravity. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 20 Feb 2010 17:43 On Feb 20, 5:05 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 20, 4:06 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 11:10 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 20, 1:46 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 10:09 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 20, 1:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 7:10 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 1:08 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The gravity field moves when mass moves. Gravity changes are less than > > > > > > > > light speed because matter moves slow carrying the fields with it. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > When did the gravity start? > > > > > > > > Has mass ever changed? > > > > > > > > Perhaps gravity is continuous and instantaneous. > > > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > > > The pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive objects > > > > > > is gravity. > > > > > > Correction: > > > > > > In AD, the pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive > > > > > objects is gravity. > > > > > That's still hard for me to follow, so for now I'll just take your > > > > word for it. > > > > > Doesn't pressure tend to always equalize? > > > > > ~ BG > > > > If you throw a bowling ball into the ocean and the pressure > > > 'equalizes' and you pull the bowling ball out of the ocean is a void > > > left behind where the bowling ball had been? Even if you consider the > > > pressure against the bowling ball to equalize there is still pressure > > > against the bowling ball. > > > > I see pressure associated with aether displacement to be analogous to > > > hydrostatic pressure. The deeper on object is in the ocean the more > > > hydrostatic pressure there is exerted on the object. The difference > > > between water and aether is the more massive an object is per volume > > > the less aether it contains the more aether it displaces the more > > > pressure there is associate with the displaced aether. > > > That's a little better analogy, but it still needs work. > > > The pressure at one atom of hydrogen per m3 isn't all that much, > > whereas eventually that bowling ball is going to outgas or vaporize > > unless there's a sufficient molecular or strong-force bond taking > > place, because self-gravity alone simply isn't going to cut it. > > > ~ BG > > I am not discussing the molecular or strong-force bond. I am > discussing the aether which is physically displaced by the nuclei > occupying the three dimensional space where the nuclei exists which > would otherwise be occupied by aether. When you get a bunch of nuclei > close together the aether each nuclei displaces extends past the other > nuclei pushing the nuclei closer together. The molecular bonds allow > for there to still exist aether between the nuclei. > > I do not know what allows for there to be aether between the nuclei > but I think a black hole is what occurs when all of the aether which > existed between the nuclei in the matter is displaced. Verbiage cleanup: I am discussing the aether which is physically displaced by the nuclei occupying the three dimensional space which would otherwise be occupied by aether.
From: BURT on 20 Feb 2010 17:54
On Feb 20, 2:43 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 20, 5:05 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 4:06 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 20, 11:10 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 20, 1:46 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 20, 10:09 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 1:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 7:10 pm, Brad Guth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Feb 18, 1:08 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The gravity field moves when mass moves. Gravity changes are less than > > > > > > > > > light speed because matter moves slow carrying the fields with it. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > When did the gravity start? > > > > > > > > > Has mass ever changed? > > > > > > > > > Perhaps gravity is continuous and instantaneous. > > > > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > > > > The pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive objects > > > > > > > is gravity. > > > > > > > Correction: > > > > > > > In AD, the pressure associated with the aether displaced by massive > > > > > > objects is gravity. > > > > > > That's still hard for me to follow, so for now I'll just take your > > > > > word for it. > > > > > > Doesn't pressure tend to always equalize? > > > > > > ~ BG > > > > > If you throw a bowling ball into the ocean and the pressure > > > > 'equalizes' and you pull the bowling ball out of the ocean is a void > > > > left behind where the bowling ball had been? Even if you consider the > > > > pressure against the bowling ball to equalize there is still pressure > > > > against the bowling ball. > > > > > I see pressure associated with aether displacement to be analogous to > > > > hydrostatic pressure. The deeper on object is in the ocean the more > > > > hydrostatic pressure there is exerted on the object. The difference > > > > between water and aether is the more massive an object is per volume > > > > the less aether it contains the more aether it displaces the more > > > > pressure there is associate with the displaced aether. > > > > That's a little better analogy, but it still needs work. > > > > The pressure at one atom of hydrogen per m3 isn't all that much, > > > whereas eventually that bowling ball is going to outgas or vaporize > > > unless there's a sufficient molecular or strong-force bond taking > > > place, because self-gravity alone simply isn't going to cut it. > > > > ~ BG > > > I am not discussing the molecular or strong-force bond. I am > > discussing the aether which is physically displaced by the nuclei > > occupying the three dimensional space where the nuclei exists which > > would otherwise be occupied by aether. When you get a bunch of nuclei > > close together the aether each nuclei displaces extends past the other > > nuclei pushing the nuclei closer together. The molecular bonds allow > > for there to still exist aether between the nuclei. > > > I do not know what allows for there to be aether between the nuclei > > but I think a black hole is what occurs when all of the aether which > > existed between the nuclei in the matter is displaced. > > Verbiage cleanup: > > I am discussing the aether which is physically displaced by the nuclei > occupying the three dimensional space which would otherwise be > occupied by aether.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Aether flow is in energy. This is time flow togetherness. Your division transition is arbitrary. I challenge it. Mitch Raemsch |