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From: Peter Köhlmann on 22 Mar 2010 07:49
Hadron wrote:

> peterwn <pmilne29(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Mar 22, 10:11 pm, Penang <kalamb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There is an article on OS architecture design truly for the Multi-Core
>>> systems that we are using today.
>>>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031910-multicore-requires-os-
re...
>>>
>>> I'll leave you some quotes from the article for you guys to think
>>> over.
>>>
>>> Maybe Linux could use a retooling, from the ground up, as well.
>>>
>>
>> See Peter Kohlmann's comment on another thread:
>> "You mean multicore like the suercomputers running under linux right
>> now?
>> You know, those with *thousands* of cores?"
>
> Those "super computers" use, err, a re-tooled Linux.

Pray tell, Hadron Snot Larry Quark.

Tell us meore. We are all ears. "Re-tooled". Interesting

> Surely you're not
> so dim as to not realise that. Hint : if Koehlmann mentions something
> even remotely technical treat it like a turd on your doorstep. Do not
> embrace it and wave it around.

Another fine "true linux advocacy post" from the
"true linux advocate", "kernel hacker", "./configure hero", "emacs user",
"swapfile expert", "X specialist", "CUPS guru", "USB-disk server admin",
"defragger professional", "newsreader magician", "hardware maven", "time
coordinator", "email sage", "tripwire wizard", "Pulseaudio rockstar",
"XORG sorcerer", "filesystem pro", "Nathans second chance evangelist" and
"OSS culling committee chairman" Hadron Quark, aka Hans Schneider, aka
Richard, aka Damian O'Leary, aka Steve Townsend, aka Ubuntu King
--
Support your local Search and Rescue unit -- get lost.

From: owl on 22 Mar 2010 07:59
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Hadron <hadronquark(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> peterwn <pmilne29(a)gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Mar 22, 10:11�pm, Penang <kalamb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There is an article on OS architecture design truly for the Multi-Core
>>> systems that we are using today.
>>>
>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031910-multicore-requires-os-re...
>>>
>>> I'll leave you some quotes from the article for you guys to think
>>> over.
>>>
>>> Maybe Linux could use a retooling, from the ground up, as well.
>>>
>>
>> See Peter Kohlmann's comment on another thread:
>> "You mean multicore like the suercomputers running under linux right
>> now?
>> You know, those with *thousands* of cores?"
>
> Those "super computers" use, err, a re-tooled Linux. Surely you're not
> so dim as to not realise that. Hint : if Koehlmann mentions something
> even remotely technical treat it like a turd on your doorstep. Do not
> embrace it and wave it around.
>
http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/uv/
"The World's Fastest Supercomputer"

"Altix� UV scales to extraordinary levels-up to 2,048 cores (256 sockets)
with architectural support to 262,144 cores (32,768 sockets)."
....
"The Altix UV system's x86 architecture, based on open standards,
leverages quad-, six-, or eight-core Intel� Xeon� (Nehalem-EX)
processors. This allows for the use of completely unmodified Novell�
SUSE� or Red Hat� Linux� operating systems."

From: Hadron on 22 Mar 2010 08:05
owl <owl(a)rooftop.invalid> writes:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Hadron <hadronquark(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> peterwn <pmilne29(a)gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Mar 22, 10:11 pm, Penang <kalamb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> There is an article on OS architecture design truly for the Multi-Core
>>>> systems that we are using today.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031910-multicore-requires-os-re...
>>>>
>>>> I'll leave you some quotes from the article for you guys to think
>>>> over.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Linux could use a retooling, from the ground up, as well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> See Peter Kohlmann's comment on another thread:
>>> "You mean multicore like the suercomputers running under linux right
>>> now?
>>> You know, those with *thousands* of cores?"
>>
>> Those "super computers" use, err, a re-tooled Linux. Surely you're not
>> so dim as to not realise that. Hint : if Koehlmann mentions something
>> even remotely technical treat it like a turd on your doorstep. Do not
>> embrace it and wave it around.
>>
> http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/uv/
> "The World's Fastest Supercomputer"
>
> "Altix® UV scales to extraordinary levels-up to 2,048 cores (256 sockets)
> with architectural support to 262,144 cores (32,768 sockets)."
> ...
> "The Altix UV system's x86 architecture, based on open standards,
> leverages quad-, six-, or eight-core Intel® Xeon® (Nehalem-EX)
> processors. This allows for the use of completely unmodified Novell®
> SUSE® or Red Hat® Linux® operating systems."

Your point is?

Try reading the details and not the bum fluff that Koehlmann has for you
to sniff:

,----
| These systems are built using SGI patented NUMAlinkTM interconnect that
| provides the high-bandwidth, low-latency, coherence- optimized
| functionality required by GSM systems. The NUMAlink interconnect fabric
| can also be used for efficient communication between OS instances,
| enabling scaling up to many thousands of CPU cores for MPI applications
| and those developed using partitioned, global address space compilers
| like OpenMP or Unified Parallel C.
`----

Now, go cool your red face and get back to shilling Roy on
boycottnovell.


From: owl on 22 Mar 2010 08:24
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Hadron <hadronquark(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> owl <owl(a)rooftop.invalid> writes:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Hadron <hadronquark(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> peterwn <pmilne29(a)gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Mar 22, 10:11�pm, Penang <kalamb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> There is an article on OS architecture design truly for the Multi-Core
>>>>> systems that we are using today.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031910-multicore-requires-os-re...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll leave you some quotes from the article for you guys to think
>>>>> over.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe Linux could use a retooling, from the ground up, as well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See Peter Kohlmann's comment on another thread:
>>>> "You mean multicore like the suercomputers running under linux right
>>>> now?
>>>> You know, those with *thousands* of cores?"
>>>
>>> Those "super computers" use, err, a re-tooled Linux. Surely you're not
>>> so dim as to not realise that. Hint : if Koehlmann mentions something
>>> even remotely technical treat it like a turd on your doorstep. Do not
>>> embrace it and wave it around.
>>>
>> http://www.sgi.com/products/servers/altix/uv/
>> "The World's Fastest Supercomputer"
>>
>> "Altix� UV scales to extraordinary levels-up to 2,048 cores (256 sockets)
>> with architectural support to 262,144 cores (32,768 sockets)."
>> ...
>> "The Altix UV system's x86 architecture, based on open standards,
>> leverages quad-, six-, or eight-core Intel� Xeon� (Nehalem-EX)
>> processors. This allows for the use of completely unmodified Novell�
>> SUSE� or Red Hat� Linux� operating systems."
>
> Your point is?
>
> Try reading the details and not the bum fluff that Koehlmann has for you
> to sniff:
>
> ,----
> | These systems are built using SGI patented NUMAlinkTM interconnect that
> | provides the high-bandwidth, low-latency, coherence- optimized
> | functionality required by GSM systems. The NUMAlink interconnect fabric
> | can also be used for efficient communication between OS instances,
> | enabling scaling up to many thousands of CPU cores for MPI applications
> | and those developed using partitioned, global address space compilers
> | like OpenMP or Unified Parallel C.
> `----
>

Explain how you think Linux is "re-tooled" here.

> Now, go cool your red face and get back to shilling Roy on
> boycottnovell.
>

Why should I should go to boycottnovell? I killfiled Roy ages ago.

From: Rainer Weikusat on 22 Mar 2010 08:43
Penang <kalambong(a)gmail.com> writes:
> There is an article on OS architecture design truly for the Multi-Core
> systems that we are using today.
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031910-multicore-requires-os-rework-windows.html
>
> I'll leave you some quotes from the article for you guys to think
> over.

SMP was a new and interesting problem about twenty years ago.
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