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From: spooky130u on 12 Feb 2010 00:50
Ok, here's the situation. I have two computers: my FreeBSD desktop,
running FreeBSD 7.0 (with a more or less dead monitor), and a laptop
running XP (and supporting a lot of stuff that I use extensively, e.g.,
Photoshop, various video editing tools (virtualdub, avisynth, tmpgenc,
etc.), games/simulations (primarily Harpoon), and so on. I use X11 to
access the FreeBSD system (which is in another room) from the laptop.

Oh, I also do some applications (Tcl/Tk driven) for both Unix and M$ Win,
including a freeware hurricane tracker (JStrack) and a freeware brewer's
recipe formulator (GTbrew2). I need, at a minimum, a dual-boot on the
laptop.

The internal drive on the laptop is used extensively, and is not
available for the install. I do, however, have a 320 GB USB2 drive
that I just freed up over the last few days (bought a 1 TB drive),
and I'd like to install FreeBSD onto that drive, and have a boot manager
select between booting XP on the internal drive and FreeBSD on the USB2
drive.

Is this possible? How would I proceed? At this point, I've tried to
find the USB drive from the shell on the live DVD. The system recognizes
it (usbcontrol, or something like that, sees umass0, lots of devices that
I'm happy to see are recognized, including the Toshiba 320 GB drive,
which it just calls umass0). I did not find a /dev/umass0, or anything
similar, however, so do not know if it really works, or what device file
it really uses.

Any help/pointers to the appropriate FM so I can RTFM?

Thanks,
--jim

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From: Torfinn Ingolfsen on 12 Feb 2010 05:29
spooky130u(a)NOSPAM.gmail.com wrote:
> The internal drive on the laptop is used extensively, and is not
> available for the install. I do, however, have a 320 GB USB2 drive
> that I just freed up over the last few days (bought a 1 TB drive),
> and I'd like to install FreeBSD onto that drive, and have a boot manager
> select between booting XP on the internal drive and FreeBSD on the USB2
> drive.
>
> Is this possible?

Yes, I've done that many times. I use a slight variation: many BIOS have
a "boot menu" key (F12 for example) which will give you a menu of
devices to boot from, including any usb drives / memory sticks. I se that.

> How would I proceed? At this point, I've tried to
> find the USB drive from the shell on the live DVD. The system recognizes
> it (usbcontrol, or something like that, sees umass0, lots of devices that
> I'm happy to see are recognized, including the Toshiba 320 GB drive,
> which it just calls umass0). I did not find a /dev/umass0, or anything
> similar, however, so do not know if it really works, or what device file
> it really uses.

Most external drives (usb, firewire) end up being named /dev/daX, for
example /dev/da0 or /dev/da1.
Note: this also means that memory card readers which are connected via
usb to a computer often takes up a few /dev/daX devices as well.

Once you have identified the correct dive, simply install FreeBSD on it,
as you would install it on any other drive.

As long as the drive identifies as the same device (for example
/dev/da0) you can even use it on any other computer with the same
architecture (i386, amd64).

> Any help/pointers to the appropriate FM so I can RTFM?

Well, the handbook have all the answers:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/

Good luck!
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From: spooky130u on 12 Feb 2010 06:18
In article <4b752da7$1(a)news.broadpark.no>,
Torfinn Ingolfsen <tingo(a)start.no> wrote:
>spooky130u(a)NOSPAM.gmail.com wrote:

>> Is this possible?
>
>Yes, I've done that many times. I use a slight variation: many BIOS have
>a "boot menu" key (F12 for example) which will give you a menu of
>devices to boot from, including any usb drives / memory sticks. I se that.

Ok, yes, I used that just to make sure I booted from the DVD.

>> [me, basically saying I want to make sure I install on the right
>> drive]

>Most external drives (usb, firewire) end up being named /dev/daX, for
>example /dev/da0 or /dev/da1.

THAT is what I needed most! Thank you! :-)

As long as I know it's not installing on the internal drive (long story
about cancer, brain surgeries, etc., deleted---suffice to say that I
can't go by what I *SEE* when I look at drive sizes w/o commas inserted
every 3 digits).

>Note: this also means that memory card readers which are connected via
>usb to a computer often takes up a few /dev/daX devices as well.

No problem there---I'll just remove all other devices during the install.
I DON'T want to write over the wrong drive, after all. :-)

Many thanks. You have completely answered my #1 question. Now it's just
a routine (I hope) BSD install. I may be back to ask about replacements
for some apps, but not until I dig through the packages in 8.0 first
(I've only scratched the surface with the ones in 7.0, but was limited by
low CPU speed).

Later,
--jim

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From: spooky130u on 12 Feb 2010 13:51
In article <mOadn.81815$Fe4.55529(a)newsfe21.iad>,
<spooky130u(a)NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote:

>>Yes, I've done that many times. I use a slight variation: many BIOS have
>>a "boot menu" key (F12 for example) which will give you a menu of
>>devices to boot from, including any usb drives / memory sticks. I se that.

The boot menu got installed on the USB drive, and the BIOS didn't see it.
So, I figured out how to force the BIOS to use the USB drive's boot
manager. It did attempt to boot FreeBSD, but crapped out with an error
screen that I've never seen before. I've already forgotten the exact
text, but it was something like "loadroot#" (give or take). Basically,
it looked like it didn't see the USB drive (even though, during the boot
process up to that point, it did at least mention it as it scrolled by
faster than I could see/read....

I don't feel comfortable at all messing around with the MBR, which I
gather can be royally hosed if I try installing the boot manager on the
internal drive (c:/). This is one of those areas that I've barely
touched in the past (even before the cancer, brain surgeries, radiation,
chemo, etc. trashed random critial bits in my memory).

I also tried booting with the boot-only cd from the ftp site. It just
wanted to install FreeBSD again...not like the old boot 3.5" disks that
would boot to the hard drive if you lacked a boot manager to do so. I
tried mounting the USB drive from the live cd...it mounted fine, but
that's as far as I was able to get.

Suggestions?

Thanks,
--jim

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From: Indi on 13 Feb 2010 01:21
On 2010-02-12, spooky130u(a)NOSPAM.gmail.com <spooky130u(a)NOSPAM.gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The boot menu got installed on the USB drive, and the BIOS didn't see it.
> So, I figured out how to force the BIOS to use the USB drive's boot
> manager. It did attempt to boot FreeBSD, but crapped out with an error
> screen that I've never seen before. I've already forgotten the exact
> text, but it was something like "loadroot#" (give or take). Basically,
> it looked like it didn't see the USB drive (even though, during the boot
> process up to that point, it did at least mention it as it scrolled by
> faster than I could see/read....
>
> I don't feel comfortable at all messing around with the MBR, which I
> gather can be royally hosed if I try installing the boot manager on the
> internal drive (c:/). This is one of those areas that I've barely
> touched in the past (even before the cancer, brain surgeries, radiation,
> chemo, etc. trashed random critial bits in my memory).
>
> I also tried booting with the boot-only cd from the ftp site. It just
> wanted to install FreeBSD again...not like the old boot 3.5" disks that
> would boot to the hard drive if you lacked a boot manager to do so. I
> tried mounting the USB drive from the live cd...it mounted fine, but
> that's as far as I was able to get.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> --jim
>

I had to reinstall bootcode when I first installed 8.0 on a new
machine, not sure why but it seemed systinstall claimed to do it but
didn't really. The livefs installer is handy for that sort of thing,
you can easily chroot in and use fdisk -B for that.

The actual error mesages would be good to have though...

BTW, EasyBCD works for windows dual booting and is very easy to set
up from within windows.

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