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From: Rosa on 9 Mar 2010 19:54 Hi forum members, This is the first time I've posted at this forum, and probably the best place for me to start to look for answers to my qustions. I want to completely switch from my web based email, to an excellent "client" based email program, with the emphasis on "client" based, not internet/web based email. With Microsoft, it appears I have two choices, Outlook, or Outlook Express. Up front I'm stating, not interested in all the bells and whistles that may or may not be added on to what I'm looking for in an excellent email program, I.E. calendar, scheduling, and whatever may be available. I'm simply looking for the best darn client based email program that exists, whether it's free, or, I have to pay for it. So, between Outlook and Outlook Express, what are the pros and cons about one versus the other? Please don't waste your time or mine tellilng me about the stuff I've stated I'm not interested in. Simply want to compare Outlook vs Outlook Express's email program and how either will serve me best. My needs: 1 - I will want to set up a minimum of three email addreses, for business and personal uses. 2 - Will need an address/conact book that can handle the details of each contact. 3 - Will need to back-up the emails and contact data fairly easily so if my hard drives crash or the program becomes corrupt somehow I have my info that can be quickly, easily and confidently restored to the email program for easy "up and running use again". 4 - Must have reputable security in place. 5 - Must be able to handle allot of daily email to each email address where I can separate, sort, and organize the incoming and outgoing email in a manner I choose, such as a tree lilke structure with folders I choose to set up and arrange. 6 - Must have "average or above" email formatting abilities, with the ability to add attachments of "most all"common types. Again, please don't waste anybody's time with stuff that's not relevant to my question. Outlook or Outlook Express? For EMAIL PURPOSES. One or the other, Why vs Why Not? After all, successful business is about making things simpler, not more complicated, when it comes to getting the job at hand done! Email that is. Thanks for any help with info that will help me make my decision when it comes to Outlook vs Outlook Express. best to all, Roas
From: Leonid S. Knyshov // SBS Expert on 9 Mar 2010 20:08 On 3/9/2010 4:54 PM, Rosa wrote: > Hi forum members, > > This is the first time I've posted at this forum, and probably the best > place for me to start to look for answers to my qustions. > > I want to completely switch from my web based email, to an excellent > "client" based email program, with the emphasis on "client" based, not > internet/web based email. > > With Microsoft, it appears I have two choices, Outlook, or Outlook Express. > > Up front I'm stating, not interested in all the bells and whistles that may > or may not be added on to what I'm looking for in an excellent email program, > I.E. calendar, scheduling, and whatever may be available. I'm simply looking > for the best darn client based email program that exists, whether it's free, > or, I have to pay for it. > > So, between Outlook and Outlook Express, what are the pros and cons about > one versus the other? > > Please don't waste your time or mine tellilng me about the stuff I've stated > I'm not interested in. Simply want to compare Outlook vs Outlook Express's > email program and how either will serve me best. > > My needs: > > 1 - I will want to set up a minimum of three email addreses, for business > and personal uses. > > 2 - Will need an address/conact book that can handle the details of each > contact. > > 3 - Will need to back-up the emails and contact data fairly easily so if my > hard drives crash or the program becomes corrupt somehow I have my info that > can be quickly, easily and confidently restored to the email program for easy > "up and running use again". > > 4 - Must have reputable security in place. > > 5 - Must be able to handle allot of daily email to each email address where > I can separate, sort, and organize the incoming and outgoing email in a > manner I choose, such as a tree lilke structure with folders I choose to set > up and arrange. > > 6 - Must have "average or above" email formatting abilities, with the > ability to add attachments of "most all"common types. > > > Again, please don't waste anybody's time with stuff that's not relevant to > my question. > > Outlook or Outlook Express? For EMAIL PURPOSES. One or the other, Why vs > Why Not? > > After all, successful business is about making things simpler, not more > complicated, when it comes to getting the job at hand done! Email that is. > > Thanks for any help with info that will help me make my decision when it > comes to Outlook vs Outlook Express. > > best to all, > > Roas Outlook. For one reason - you can extend its capabilities with add-ons. You don't want the bells and whistles today, but they'll be waiting for you to discover them. :) Outlook is also far more advanced as far as folder management is concerned. You can drag messages between folders easily and you can drag folders easily as well. Ask the same question in Outlook Express group. :) -- Leonid S. Knyshov Crashproof Solutions 510-282-1008 Twitter: @wiseleo http://crashproofsolutions.com Microsoft Small Business Specialist Try Exchange Online http://bit.ly/free-exchange-trial Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :)
From: Ken Blake, MVP on 9 Mar 2010 20:42 On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:54:01 -0800, Rosa <Rosa(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Hi forum members, > > This is the first time I've posted at this forum, and probably the best > place for me to start to look for answers to my qustions. > > I want to completely switch from my web based email, to an excellent > "client" based email program, with the emphasis on "client" based, not > internet/web based email. > > With Microsoft, it appears I have two choices, Outlook, or Outlook Express. > > Up front I'm stating, not interested in all the bells and whistles that may > or may not be added on to what I'm looking for in an excellent email program, > I.E. calendar, scheduling, and whatever may be available. I'm simply looking > for the best darn client based email program that exists, whether it's free, > or, I have to pay for it. > > So, between Outlook and Outlook Express, what are the pros and cons about > one versus the other? > > Please don't waste your time or mine tellilng me about the stuff I've stated > I'm not interested in. Simply want to compare Outlook vs Outlook Express's > email program and how either will serve me best. You may not like my answer, but here's my view: 1. Some people will prefer Outlook and others will prefer Outlook Express. When you get people telling you their preferences, it's very hard to get enough good enough information to make up your own mind. 2. You're asking in an Outlook newsgroup. Almost everybody here (me, for example) is in *this* newsgroup because they prefer Outlook to Outlook Express. 3. You are asking about two Microsoft products. Those aren't the only two Microsoft products to choose from (Windows Live Mail is another), but even more important is that there are other *non*-Microsoft products to also consider. 4. My recommendation is to ignore my preferences and everybody else's. Try them both, as well as other e-mail programs, and decide for yourself which works best for *you*. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup
From: VanguardLH on 9 Mar 2010 20:52 Rosa wrote: > With Microsoft, it appears I have two choices, Outlook, or Outlook Express. You'll only get Outlook Express if you stay with Windows XP as your latest version of Windows (whether as a stand-alone install of Windows XP or as the XP mode available in Windows 7). OE went dead back in 2006 and is unsupported. In Vista, Windows Mail (WM) replaced OE. In Windows 7, no e-mail client is included. Windows Live Mail (WLM) is Microsoft's replaced for both OE and WM. > Up front I'm stating, not interested in all the bells and whistles that may > or may not be added on to what I'm looking for in an excellent email program, > I.E. calendar, scheduling, and whatever may be available. I'm simply looking > for the best darn client based email program that exists, whether it's free, > or, I have to pay for it. "Best" is subjective even if money is no object. I know many users that won't use Outlook because it is the monster swiss knife of an e-mail client when they want just a 2-blade version that they can understand and handle. > So, between Outlook and Outlook Express, what are the pros and cons about > one versus the other? - Will you be connecting to an MS-Exchange mail server which is required for all the enterprise-level functions in Outlook? - The what types of e-mail servers will you connect (POP, IMAP, HTTP/Deltasync, Exchange, SMTP)? - Are you going to use the Journal and Notes features of Outlook? Or just e-mail and possibly calendaring? > Please don't waste your time or mine tellilng me about the stuff I've stated > I'm not interested in. But you haven't stated the "stuff you're not interested in". > Simply want to compare Outlook vs Outlook Express's > email program and how either will serve me best. That depends on which version of Windows you are using and will be using. You do realize, right, that OE doesn't have a calendar which was one the requirements you asked for and which immediately disqualifies OE. > My needs: > > 1 - I will want to set up a minimum of three email addreses, for business > and personal uses. Outlook, OE, WM, and WLM will all handle that. > 2 - Will need an address/conact book that can handle the details of each > contact. Outlook, OE, WM, and WLM will all handle that. > 3 - Will need to back-up the emails and contact data fairly easily so if my > hard drives crash or the program becomes corrupt somehow I have my info that > can be quickly, easily and confidently restored to the email program for easy > "up and running use again". Any backup or imaging program of your choice can handle backing up the data files for Outlook, OE, WM, and WLM. > 4 - Must have reputable security in place. Outlook, OE, WM, and WLM will all handle that by defaulting to the Restricted Sites security zone when rendering HTML-formatted e-mails. Not an issue with plain-text e-mails (or if you configure the e-mail client to read only in plain text mode). Outlook 2003, and up, OE, WM, and WLM can all block externally linked images (to eliminate web beacons in HTML-formatted e-mails). Beyond that you will have to define what you mean by "security". > 5 - Must be able to handle allot of daily email to each email address where > I can separate, sort, and organize the incoming and outgoing email in a > manner I choose, such as a tree lilke structure with folders I choose to set > up and arrange. Outlook, OE, WM, and WLM will all handle that via rules. > 6 - Must have "average or above" email formatting abilities, with the > ability to add attachments of "most all"common types. Outlook, OE, WM, and WLM will all handle that. In Outlook, you can elect to use Word as your new-mail editor (only necessary for HTML-formatted e-mails); however, Word is not the best HTML editor and inserts code usable only by a recipient that also happens to use Word to view their received e-mails. All of them have an embedded new-mail editor that lets you create HTML-formatted e-mails (except Outlook 2007 which forces users to use Word). None of them can generate as complicated an HTML page as can an HTML editor designed to compile web pages; however, there are many objects in HTML which are usable in e-mails, like scripts (as that is a security risk that e-mail clients will disable). > Again, please don't waste anybody's time with stuff that's not relevant to > my question. This is Usenet. It is an anarchy. You cannot command anyone with regards to who or how they reply. You will get whatever they want to post. In fact, being deliberately blind to alternate choices makes you look stubborn and foolish, especially when there might be equal but free solutions. I know of an Outlook look-alike that is free -- but then you don't want to hear about it. > Outlook or Outlook Express? For EMAIL PURPOSES. One or the other, Why vs > Why Not? You never mentioned WHICH version of Windows that you already have. If it is Windows XP (or Windows 7 with XP Mode and VirtualPC 2007 installed) then you can already trial Outlook Express for yourself. You can get a trial of MS Office to see what Outlook is like (and even run it inside of a virtual machine). In the beginning, you mentioned calendaring and scheduling which is not available in OE. Yet in your delineated list of requirements, you never mentioned the need for calendaring and scheduling. Outlook has a calendar and journal. OE does not. > After all, successful business is about making things simpler, not more > complicated, when it comes to getting the job at hand done! Email that is. If Google Wave takes off, and because they are defining an open standard so there can be non-Google Wave providers (and why a *protocol* for e-mail allowed anyone to establish an e-mail service rather than using a proprietary product controlled by one source), e-mail might go the way of the fax. E-mail is 30 years old. You're "new" business requirement is coming on the tail end of e-mail's era. (http://wave.google.com) > Thanks for any help with info that will help me make my decision when it > comes to Outlook vs Outlook Express. Lots here: http://www.google.com/search?q=%2Boutlook+%2B%22outlook+express%22+%2Bdifference Bye.
From: Rosa on 9 Mar 2010 23:29
Thank you Leonid, As I requested, specific answers, and you gave me two. >"Outlook is also far more advanced as far as folder management is > concerned. You can drag messages between folders easily and you can drag > folders easily as well" Thanks Leonid, I'm assuming your answer is in the context of my original post, as in a direct comparison to OE, meaning the "folder management" and the "dragging messages between folders" is performed easier, or in a more efficient manner than in Outlook Express? I appreciate your direct answers to my questions. Since you are a SBS, I can tell you know how to provide good straight answers. Rosa "Leonid S. Knyshov // SBS Expert" wrote: > On 3/9/2010 4:54 PM, Rosa wrote: > > Hi forum members, > > > > This is the first time I've posted at this forum, and probably the best > > place for me to start to look for answers to my qustions. > > > > I want to completely switch from my web based email, to an excellent > > "client" based email program, with the emphasis on "client" based, not > > internet/web based email. > > > > With Microsoft, it appears I have two choices, Outlook, or Outlook Express. > > > > Up front I'm stating, not interested in all the bells and whistles that may > > or may not be added on to what I'm looking for in an excellent email program, > > I.E. calendar, scheduling, and whatever may be available. I'm simply looking > > for the best darn client based email program that exists, whether it's free, > > or, I have to pay for it. > > > > So, between Outlook and Outlook Express, what are the pros and cons about > > one versus the other? > > > > Please don't waste your time or mine tellilng me about the stuff I've stated > > I'm not interested in. Simply want to compare Outlook vs Outlook Express's > > email program and how either will serve me best. > > > > My needs: > > > > 1 - I will want to set up a minimum of three email addreses, for business > > and personal uses. > > > > 2 - Will need an address/conact book that can handle the details of each > > contact. > > > > 3 - Will need to back-up the emails and contact data fairly easily so if my > > hard drives crash or the program becomes corrupt somehow I have my info that > > can be quickly, easily and confidently restored to the email program for easy > > "up and running use again". > > > > 4 - Must have reputable security in place. > > > > 5 - Must be able to handle allot of daily email to each email address where > > I can separate, sort, and organize the incoming and outgoing email in a > > manner I choose, such as a tree lilke structure with folders I choose to set > > up and arrange. > > > > 6 - Must have "average or above" email formatting abilities, with the > > ability to add attachments of "most all"common types. > > > > > > Again, please don't waste anybody's time with stuff that's not relevant to > > my question. > > > > Outlook or Outlook Express? For EMAIL PURPOSES. One or the other, Why vs > > Why Not? > > > > After all, successful business is about making things simpler, not more > > complicated, when it comes to getting the job at hand done! Email that is. > > > > Thanks for any help with info that will help me make my decision when it > > comes to Outlook vs Outlook Express. > > > > best to all, > > > > Roas > > Outlook. For one reason - you can extend its capabilities with add-ons. > > You don't want the bells and whistles today, but they'll be waiting for > you to discover them. :) > > Outlook is also far more advanced as far as folder management is > concerned. You can drag messages between folders easily and you can drag > folders easily as well. > > Ask the same question in Outlook Express group. :) > -- > Leonid S. Knyshov > Crashproof Solutions > 510-282-1008 > Twitter: @wiseleo > http://crashproofsolutions.com > Microsoft Small Business Specialist > Try Exchange Online http://bit.ly/free-exchange-trial > Please vote "helpful" if I helped you :) > . > |