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From: Tom Serface on 19 Mar 2010 07:16
I've seen some pretty rude messages on these boards go uncensored over the
years so I'd bet it's not that. They do censor spam so maybe your message
looked like and advertisement...

Tom

"Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uIrkWhuxKHA.4492(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Well, if the news server is accepting the NNTP article POSTing and returns
> a message id for the post, but it never shows up, something more than a
> "glitch" is happening.
>
> I give the benefit of the doubt that some engineer is playing around with
> news/mail software and its testing it on production servers. It should
> not accept mail if its not going to post it. I mean, the only other reason
> is well, censorship, and I don't think that is happening. I certainly hope
> not.
>
> --
>
> Tom Serface wrote:
>
>> Probably just a glitch. It happens from time to time with news servers.
>> Messages could all show up at any time.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> "Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:#HFnROuxKHA.1548(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Something is up at the Microsoft news server:
>>>
>>> news://news.microsoft.com:119
>>>
>>> Posted mail is being lost. Many of my own, even mail from Joe Newcomer
>>> which can be seen at Google Group is not coming in via the Microsoft
>>> news server.
>>>
>>> I just prepared a test news site to downloads the last 100 messages
>>> directly from the news.microsoft.com server via our news gate software
>>> and mail is lost.
>>>
>>> This is a problem for three main reasons:
>>>
>>> 1) Lost of work and time for participants of the group,
>>>
>>> 2) Mirror sites are out of sync now with the main host news site,
>>>
>>> 3) The Microsoft news server is acknowledging the posting, not
>>> rejecting it during the transaction, hence there is US EPCA
>>> "User Expectation" for delivery or a notification of rejection.
>>>
>>> Lost of legitimate mail raises anxieties!
>>>
>>> I hope someone at Microsoft can address this or at least explain it.
>>> Sounds to me that someone is goofing around with new forum software or
>>> something and is allowing mail to be lost during testing.
>>>
>>> --
>>> HLS
>>
>
>
>
> --
> HLS

From: Tom Serface on 19 Mar 2010 07:17
You know that is not it ... :o)

Tom

"Liviu" <lab2k1(a)gmail.c0m> wrote in message
news:eFEpXDvxKHA.5132(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> 4) It makes it awkward to followup up here on a missing post, since
> it will then be threaded incorrectly both on nntp and google groups.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. Just another conspiracy of Microsoft's
> to help google groups thrive, instead of their own. Oh, wait... what?
>
> ;-)
> Liviu
>
>
From: Hector Santos on 19 Mar 2010 07:25
The mail lost were purely technical. Joe's mail was lost too.

Tom Serface wrote:

> I've seen some pretty rude messages on these boards go uncensored over
> the years so I'd bet it's not that. They do censor spam so maybe your
> message looked like and advertisement...
>
> Tom
>
> "Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uIrkWhuxKHA.4492(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Well, if the news server is accepting the NNTP article POSTing and
>> returns a message id for the post, but it never shows up, something
>> more than a "glitch" is happening.
>>
>> I give the benefit of the doubt that some engineer is playing around
>> with news/mail software and its testing it on production servers. It
>> should not accept mail if its not going to post it. I mean, the only
>> other reason is well, censorship, and I don't think that is happening.
>> I certainly hope not.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Tom Serface wrote:
>>
>>> Probably just a glitch. It happens from time to time with news
>>> servers. Messages could all show up at any time.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> "Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:#HFnROuxKHA.1548(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Something is up at the Microsoft news server:
>>>>
>>>> news://news.microsoft.com:119
>>>>
>>>> Posted mail is being lost. Many of my own, even mail from Joe
>>>> Newcomer which can be seen at Google Group is not coming in via the
>>>> Microsoft news server.
>>>>
>>>> I just prepared a test news site to downloads the last 100 messages
>>>> directly from the news.microsoft.com server via our news gate
>>>> software and mail is lost.
>>>>
>>>> This is a problem for three main reasons:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Lost of work and time for participants of the group,
>>>>
>>>> 2) Mirror sites are out of sync now with the main host news site,
>>>>
>>>> 3) The Microsoft news server is acknowledging the posting, not
>>>> rejecting it during the transaction, hence there is US EPCA
>>>> "User Expectation" for delivery or a notification of rejection.
>>>>
>>>> Lost of legitimate mail raises anxieties!
>>>>
>>>> I hope someone at Microsoft can address this or at least explain it.
>>>> Sounds to me that someone is goofing around with new forum software
>>>> or something and is allowing mail to be lost during testing.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> HLS
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> HLS
>



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HLS
From: Tim Slattery on 19 Mar 2010 08:56
Hector Santos <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote:

>Well, if the news server is accepting the NNTP article POSTing and
>returns a message id for the post, but it never shows up, something
>more than a "glitch" is happening.

MS does screen postings to its servers for SPAM. They don't tell
*anybody* exactly what they're screening for (including MVPs). There
are, inevitably, times when messages seem to go into a black hole for
not known reason.

--
Tim Slattery
Slattery_T(a)bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
From: Hector Santos on 20 Mar 2010 10:18
Tim Slattery wrote:

> Hector Santos <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, if the news server is accepting the NNTP article POSTing and
>> returns a message id for the post, but it never shows up, something
>> more than a "glitch" is happening.
>
> MS does screen postings to its servers for SPAM. They don't tell
> *anybody* exactly what they're screening for (including MVPs). There
> are, inevitably, times when messages seem to go into a black hole for
> not known reason.

I agree. But my mail isn't spam.

I lost four postings since yesterday. This is becoming very
concerning to me and I really wish some lurking MSFT person or MVP
personal privy to the MSFT ears can address or see whats going on.

I would rather be told that they are filtering the messages for a
reason and be told why and then change whatever content (or context)
they don't like rather than to be left in LIMBO, wasting time
responding to people questions only to have the MAIL accepted by the
news server (which is directly at news.microsoft.com, not thru some
mirror) and then lost in storage.

Personally, I sense there is a software glitch with mail that deep in
threads and it might have a problem reading the Reference: header line
or lines.

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HLS
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