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From: Hector Santos on 18 Mar 2010 17:40
Something is up at the Microsoft news server:

news://news.microsoft.com:119

Posted mail is being lost. Many of my own, even mail from Joe
Newcomer which can be seen at Google Group is not coming in via the
Microsoft news server.

I just prepared a test news site to downloads the last 100 messages
directly from the news.microsoft.com server via our news gate software
and mail is lost.

This is a problem for three main reasons:

1) Lost of work and time for participants of the group,

2) Mirror sites are out of sync now with the main host news site,

3) The Microsoft news server is acknowledging the posting, not
rejecting it during the transaction, hence there is US EPCA
"User Expectation" for delivery or a notification of rejection.

Lost of legitimate mail raises anxieties!

I hope someone at Microsoft can address this or at least explain it.
Sounds to me that someone is goofing around with new forum software or
something and is allowing mail to be lost during testing.

--
HLS
From: Hector Santos on 18 Mar 2010 17:49
This one came in, and also at my test site:

d:\wc5beta>wcnews /host:microsoft /import /debug
wcNews - Wildcat! NNTP News Gateway v6.0.451.1
(c) copyright 1998-2004 by Santronics Software Inc.

Debug logging enabled!
Import only requested.
Host: microsoft NewsGroups Count: 2
Spool Path: spool\microsoft\
Remote Host News Server: news.microsoft.com
Connecting to news.microsoft.com...ok
Starting Import Process

Opening group microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel...ok
Count: 949 Low: 130112 High: 131093
Getting first 300 articles. First: 131093 Last: 131093
Getting info for next 1 articles (0 more)...ok
Getting article <hnu5hj$dir$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>...ok
Completed microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel:
1 article retrieved

Opening group microsoft.public.vc.mfc...ok
Count: 2397 Low: 555618 High: 558122
Getting first 300 articles. First: 558119 Last: 558122
Getting info for next 4 articles (0 more)...ok
Getting article <#HFnROuxKHA.1548(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>...ok
Completed microsoft.public.vc.mfc:
1 article retrieved
Ending Import Process
Disconnecting from news.microsoft.com...ok
2 articles retrieved, 0 articles posted
News run completed successfully.

That last article is the message I posted below.

--
HLS

Hector Santos wrote:

> Something is up at the Microsoft news server:
>
> news://news.microsoft.com:119
>
> Posted mail is being lost. Many of my own, even mail from Joe Newcomer
> which can be seen at Google Group is not coming in via the Microsoft
> news server.
>
> I just prepared a test news site to downloads the last 100 messages
> directly from the news.microsoft.com server via our news gate software
> and mail is lost.
>
> This is a problem for three main reasons:
>
> 1) Lost of work and time for participants of the group,
>
> 2) Mirror sites are out of sync now with the main host news site,
>
> 3) The Microsoft news server is acknowledging the posting, not
> rejecting it during the transaction, hence there is US EPCA
> "User Expectation" for delivery or a notification of rejection.
>
> Lost of legitimate mail raises anxieties!
>
> I hope someone at Microsoft can address this or at least explain it.
> Sounds to me that someone is goofing around with new forum software or
> something and is allowing mail to be lost during testing.
>
From: Tom Serface on 18 Mar 2010 18:00
Probably just a glitch. It happens from time to time with news servers.
Messages could all show up at any time.

Tom

"Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:#HFnROuxKHA.1548(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Something is up at the Microsoft news server:
>
> news://news.microsoft.com:119
>
> Posted mail is being lost. Many of my own, even mail from Joe Newcomer
> which can be seen at Google Group is not coming in via the Microsoft news
> server.
>
> I just prepared a test news site to downloads the last 100 messages
> directly from the news.microsoft.com server via our news gate software and
> mail is lost.
>
> This is a problem for three main reasons:
>
> 1) Lost of work and time for participants of the group,
>
> 2) Mirror sites are out of sync now with the main host news site,
>
> 3) The Microsoft news server is acknowledging the posting, not
> rejecting it during the transaction, hence there is US EPCA
> "User Expectation" for delivery or a notification of rejection.
>
> Lost of legitimate mail raises anxieties!
>
> I hope someone at Microsoft can address this or at least explain it.
> Sounds to me that someone is goofing around with new forum software or
> something and is allowing mail to be lost during testing.
>
> --
> HLS

From: Hector Santos on 18 Mar 2010 18:14
Well, if the news server is accepting the NNTP article POSTing and
returns a message id for the post, but it never shows up, something
more than a "glitch" is happening.

I give the benefit of the doubt that some engineer is playing around
with news/mail software and its testing it on production servers. It
should not accept mail if its not going to post it. I mean, the only
other reason is well, censorship, and I don't think that is happening.
I certainly hope not.

--

Tom Serface wrote:

> Probably just a glitch. It happens from time to time with news servers.
> Messages could all show up at any time.
>
> Tom
>
> "Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#HFnROuxKHA.1548(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Something is up at the Microsoft news server:
>>
>> news://news.microsoft.com:119
>>
>> Posted mail is being lost. Many of my own, even mail from Joe
>> Newcomer which can be seen at Google Group is not coming in via the
>> Microsoft news server.
>>
>> I just prepared a test news site to downloads the last 100 messages
>> directly from the news.microsoft.com server via our news gate software
>> and mail is lost.
>>
>> This is a problem for three main reasons:
>>
>> 1) Lost of work and time for participants of the group,
>>
>> 2) Mirror sites are out of sync now with the main host news site,
>>
>> 3) The Microsoft news server is acknowledging the posting, not
>> rejecting it during the transaction, hence there is US EPCA
>> "User Expectation" for delivery or a notification of rejection.
>>
>> Lost of legitimate mail raises anxieties!
>>
>> I hope someone at Microsoft can address this or at least explain it.
>> Sounds to me that someone is goofing around with new forum software or
>> something and is allowing mail to be lost during testing.
>>
>> --
>> HLS
>



--
HLS
From: Liviu on 18 Mar 2010 19:14
"Hector Santos" <sant9442(a)nospam.gmail.com> wrote...
> Something is up at the Microsoft news server:
>
> news://news.microsoft.com:119
>
> Posted mail is being lost. Many of my own, even mail from
> Joe Newcomer which can be seen at Google Group is not
> coming in via the Microsoft news server. [...]
>
> This is a problem for three main reasons:
>
> 1) Lost of work and time for participants of the group,
>
> 2) Mirror sites are out of sync now with the main host news site,
>
> 3) The Microsoft news server is acknowledging the posting, not
> rejecting it during the transaction, hence there is US EPCA
> "User Expectation" for delivery or a notification of rejection.

4) It makes it awkward to followup up here on a missing post, since
it will then be threaded incorrectly both on nntp and google groups.

Thanks for pointing that out. Just another conspiracy of Microsoft's
to help google groups thrive, instead of their own. Oh, wait... what?

;-)
Liviu


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