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From: Anon on 22 Jan 2010 10:54

"Phil Allison" <phil_a(a)tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Anon"
>
>> The background sounds (and music) overpowers any voices. To me it seems
>> as though the quieter "background" sound is being fed through the louder
>> "foreground" channel, and viceversa. The problem however only occurs on
>> this TV
>
> ** The TV has some from of stereo enhancement in the audio system.
>
> Go into the menus and disable it if possible.
>
>
>
> .... Phil
>
>
>
>
Phil,

Thanks!
I have rechecked all settings in the TV menus and the CATV menus and there
were no audio enhancement features turned on. I have also reset everything
to defaults and made sure those settings were turned off. Even in mono,
the TV's background is much louder than any voices, on some channels.

Thanks!
Scott
Dunedin, FL


From: Anon on 22 Jan 2010 11:00

"Klaatu" <nospam(a)today.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Anon" <nospam(a)tbrr.net> wrote in message
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>>I am a long-time lurker in s.e.r and have read much great advice, some of
>>which I have put into use. To be clear, I have no intention of attempting
>>a repair on this TV. I have weak (de)soldering skills. The only
>>servicing I do on TVs, is to reseat a daughterboard or stripping them for
>>components (and practice desoldering without destruction).
>>
>> The problem I hear is on a number of channels including some major
>> networks local stations. The background sounds (and music) overpowers
>> any voices. To me it seems as though the quieter "background" sound is
>> being fed through the louder "foreground" channel, and viceversa. The
>> problem however only occurs on this TV and cannot be (entirely) the
>> broadcasters fault. Additionally, if I recieve and output the audio
>> portion with a VHS VCR, it sounds just fine. (Wife hates it because you
>> need two remotes to mute or adjust the volume). To clarify, the TV's
>> audio and the VCR's audio both go through the same surround sound system,
>> not using the TV's speakers. Outputting the TV's audio thru its own
>> speakers is even worse.
>>
>> I have even seen OpEd complaints towards the local broadcasters regarding
>> this same issue in our newspaper occasionally over the past few years. I
>> have asked Sears techs who have come for warranty service on the set, but
>> was assured there are no "rear" and "front" audio channels.
>>
>> Tonal range of the background has little effect. High pitch (street)
>> background noise still overpowers voices, like the rumbling lows of a
>> musical score.
>>
>> This problem is easy for us to bypass with the separate audio, so it
>> really is only my curiosity asking. With all the skilled service techs
>> contributing here, maybe someone has run into this before, that can offer
>> an explanation?
>>
>> Scott
>> Dunedin, FL
>>
>>
>>
> Assuming that you have checked all the audio settings, and they are
> correct for your situation,
> having one channel speaker physically out of phase with the other may
> cause this problem.
> If you can get to them, try reversing the leads on one speaker ONLY, as
> see if the problem
> goes away.

Klaatu,

Thanks! However would this affect the TV's audio output "without" the
internal speakers? Even with the internal speakers turned off, the TV's
audio sent thru the Bose 1-2-3 surround system, exhibits the louder
background sound.

Thanks!
Scott
Dunedin, FL




From: Anon on 22 Jan 2010 11:12

"David Nebenzahl" <nobody(a)but.us.chickens> wrote in message
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> On 1/21/2010 11:27 AM Klaatu spake thus:
>
>> "Anon" <nospam(a)tbrr.net> wrote in message
>> news:4b57203c$0$5095$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> >
>>> I am a long-time lurker in s.e.r and have read much great advice, some
>>> of which I have put into use. To be clear, I have no intention
>>> of attempting a repair on this TV. I have weak (de)soldering skills. The
>>> only servicing I do on TVs, is to reseat a daughterboard or stripping
>>> them for components (and practice
>>> desoldering without destruction).
>>>
>>> The problem I hear is on a number of channels including some major
>>> networks local stations. The background sounds (and music) overpowers
>>> any voices. To me it seems as though the quieter
>>> "background" sound is being fed through the louder "foreground"
>>> channel, and viceversa. The problem however only occurs on this TV
>>> and cannot be (entirely) the broadcasters fault. Additionally, if I
>>> recieve and output the audio portion with a VHS VCR, it sounds just
>>> fine. (Wife hates it because you need two remotes to mute or adjust
>>> the volume). To clarify, the TV's audio and the VCR's audio both go
>>> through the same surround sound system, not using the TV's
>>> speakers. Outputting the TV's audio thru its own speakers is even
>>> worse.
>>
>> Assuming that you have checked all the audio settings, and they are
>> correct for your situation, having one channel speaker physically out
>> of phase with the other may cause this problem. If you can get to
>> them, try reversing the leads on one speaker ONLY, as see if the
>> problem goes away.
>
> I seriously doubt that an out-of-phase speaker would cause anything like
> what the OP is reporting. At most it would result in reduced volume.
>
>
David,

Thanks! When I flip between the audio sources (TV and VCR) on the Bose
1-2-3, with the volume levels set the same number, the Background sound
stays approximately at the same level, but the voices (what I perceive as
forground) goes from 50% as loud as the background from the TV to 50% louder
than the background from the VCR, even on mono settings. Two other TVs in
the house have normal audio with clear forground sound and background
sound/music where it belongs, in the background.
Thanks!
Scott
Dunedin FL


From: William R. Walsh on 22 Jan 2010 12:36
Hi!

> Thank you for your reply.

You are welcome.

> I have experimented with the different settings available through
> the TV menus and the CATV menus regard audio settings a
> number of times.

That's good information to have. I didn't know you'd done that. :-)

> Both the TV audio and the VCR audio is processed thru the Bose
> 1-2-3 Home system (which is a 5.1).

I was thinking at first that it might be worthwhile to check this
system out and make sure it wasn't doing any processing to "create"
surround sound out of a stereo source, but then I read further:

> (Alternately, I have turned off the Bose 1-2-3 and turned on the
> TV's Internal speakers and the effect still exists on TV
> broadcasts but not when tuning thru the VCR, played through
> the TV speakers.)

....and there went any hopes of an "easy" fix. I don't know what to
think. There must be some difference in the way the VCR processes the
audio that causes it to be played in what you consider a more correct
manner.

I do hope that you can figure it out, but I think I've done all I can
to help at this point.

William
From: Klaatu on 22 Jan 2010 13:36

"Anon" <nospam(a)tbrr.net> wrote in message
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> "Klaatu" <nospam(a)today.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Anon" <nospam(a)tbrr.net> wrote in message
>> news:4b57203c$0$5095$9a6e19ea(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>I am a long-time lurker in s.e.r and have read much great advice, some of
>>>which I have put into use. To be clear, I have no intention of
>>>attempting a repair on this TV. I have weak (de)soldering skills. The
>>>only servicing I do on TVs, is to reseat a daughterboard or stripping
>>>them for components (and practice desoldering without destruction).
>>>
>>> The problem I hear is on a number of channels including some major
>>> networks local stations. The background sounds (and music) overpowers
>>> any voices. To me it seems as though the quieter "background" sound is
>>> being fed through the louder "foreground" channel, and viceversa. The
>>> problem however only occurs on this TV and cannot be (entirely) the
>>> broadcasters fault. Additionally, if I recieve and output the audio
>>> portion with a VHS VCR, it sounds just fine. (Wife hates it because you
>>> need two remotes to mute or adjust the volume). To clarify, the TV's
>>> audio and the VCR's audio both go through the same surround sound
>>> system, not using the TV's speakers. Outputting the TV's audio thru its
>>> own speakers is even worse.
>>>
>>> I have even seen OpEd complaints towards the local broadcasters
>>> regarding this same issue in our newspaper occasionally over the past
>>> few years. I have asked Sears techs who have come for warranty service
>>> on the set, but was assured there are no "rear" and "front" audio
>>> channels.
>>>
>>> Tonal range of the background has little effect. High pitch (street)
>>> background noise still overpowers voices, like the rumbling lows of a
>>> musical score.
>>>
>>> This problem is easy for us to bypass with the separate audio, so it
>>> really is only my curiosity asking. With all the skilled service techs
>>> contributing here, maybe someone has run into this before, that can
>>> offer an explanation?
>>>
>>> Scott
>>> Dunedin, FL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Assuming that you have checked all the audio settings, and they are
>> correct for your situation,
>> having one channel speaker physically out of phase with the other may
>> cause this problem.
>> If you can get to them, try reversing the leads on one speaker ONLY, as
>> see if the problem
>> goes away.
>
> Klaatu,
>
> Thanks! However would this affect the TV's audio output "without" the
> internal speakers? Even with the internal speakers turned off, the TV's
> audio sent thru the Bose 1-2-3 surround system, exhibits the louder
> background sound.
>
> Thanks!
> Scott
> Dunedin, FL
>
>
It wouldn't, so there goes the phasing theory. Good Luck!

Klaatu

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